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FRT_Fun 04-28-2014 10:31 AM

They don't think it be like it is, but it do. BMW part out thread!
 
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My new miata:

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1398695475

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1398695475

dieselmiata 04-28-2014 11:48 AM

That's pretty damn cool. What year? I don't know much about old BMWs.

FRT_Fun 04-28-2014 12:04 PM

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1976 BMW 2002. It's a carb 2.0l that is pretty slow but fun to drive. Upgraded from the 4 speed to a newer 5 speed, rwd of course. Honestly pretty well sorted after I put a bit of work into it this past month. No rust in the typical spots, which is pretty awesome. It is an Arizona car though so to be expected. But the interior is pretty beat from the sun. Sorry for shit pictures, I'll try and get something better than phone pictures.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1398701159

dieselmiata 04-28-2014 12:16 PM

Pretty damn good shape for it's age. It's always fun to snatch a southern rust free car. I'm actually heading back down in a month or so to pick up my old 83 Mustang and bring it back up here. It's been sitting for the better part of 15 years now. I'm surprised how well the red paint held up to the sun. Last red car I bought took a LOT of work to get it back from the faded "Texas red" color.

18psi 04-28-2014 12:27 PM

Very cool.

But kinda curious: why get rid of a really cool project that was nearly done just to start a new one a couple months later? Did the 1.6 hate really push you over the edge? :giggle:
We still love you of course. Old bimmers are cool.

thenuge26 04-28-2014 12:33 PM

Cool car. How much boost is it going to get?

FRT_Fun 04-28-2014 12:35 PM

I don't know how much I went into it here, but I was literally all set to go to China for a year. Ended up not enough people signed up for the study abroad program and they canceled it. If I had gone I wouldn't have a place to put a car at all.

Now that I'm not going I need something else.

mgeoffriau 04-28-2014 12:35 PM

Nice Bimmer, Chaz.

Fireindc 04-28-2014 12:56 PM

I like the bimmer. Any plans to make it quicker and less-boaty?

FRT_Fun 04-28-2014 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Fireindc (Post 1126128)
I like the bimmer. Any plans to make it quicker and less-boaty?

Well it weighs about as much as a miata and has stiffer springs and decent shocks. It's actually lowered a inch or so too. It handles well for being on 13" wheels with skinny tires haha. So no real plans there for the near future.

I want to eventually do dual side draft carbs like so:

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1398704924

But that is also way in the future. I graduate next Spring, so bigs plans are set for after that. Maybe I'll drop in some M-Power shit and go all out when I actually have a job haha.

Braineack 04-28-2014 01:17 PM

im pretty sure the slowest 1.6L miata is faster than that...

FRT_Fun 04-28-2014 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1126136)
im pretty sure the slowest 1.6L miata is faster than that...

Still it has a 2.0l, bigger than 95% of this forum. :dealwithit: Plus mine makes quite a bit more power than a 1.6 miata. Weber carb, headers back, upgraded ignition, upgraded head. Suck it.

Only size matters here anyways.

Also I'll make all the club ricer kidz jizz their pants with this:


Not to mention, dat trunk lol
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1398711794

Savington 04-28-2014 03:17 PM

I heard the 1600 cars rev more freely.

shuiend 04-28-2014 03:19 PM


Originally Posted by Savington (Post 1126176)
I heard the 1600 cars rev more freely.

I thought they revved faster?

I call first dibs on the 13" rims when part out time comes. :giggle::giggle:

krissetsfire 04-28-2014 03:26 PM

I'm jealous. I love these cars. They are so simple and ridiculously reliable. I had one in Michigan when I first learned to drive so it's a little nostalgia too. I had over 300k on the odometer before I moved on. It still ran fine It was just rusty and it was time.

Nice find. Mine was gutless but it was still fun as hell to drive. It was completely stock and scary as hell in the snow!

FRT_Fun 04-28-2014 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Savington (Post 1126176)
I heard the 1600 cars rev more freely.


Originally Posted by shuiend (Post 1126177)
I thought they revved faster?

I call first dibs on the 13" rims when part out time comes. :giggle::giggle:

And better gas mileage duh.

The 13" wheels are baller status. You can have them when I upgrade to larger brakes lol Not sure how these 4 piston calipers up front fit under them.



Originally Posted by krissetsfire (Post 1126180)
I'm jealous. I love these cars. They are so simple and ridiculously reliable. I had one in Michigan when I first learned to drive so it's a little nostalgia too. I had over 300k on the odometer before I moved on. It still ran fine It was just rusty and it was time.

Nice find. Mine was gutless but it was still fun as hell to drive. It was completely stock and scary as hell in the snow!

I've always admired these cars but have never really seen one for sale. I came across this guy near me while riding my bike selling this for $500. I could have turned around and sold it that day for 4-5k. I biked over to Wells Fargo, took out the cash and got the title. Long story short the dude was in a tight spot and moving that day and couldn't bring it. I've never been so lucky in my life.

So far I've done a lot of work on this car and it has all been stress free. One of the easiest cars I have ever worked on. Just a PITA getting parts.

Few more pictures (all shitty quality):

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1398713820

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1398713820

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1398713820

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1398713820

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1398713820

FRT_Fun 04-28-2014 03:45 PM

Token title change. Not that I can argue with it.

miata2fast 04-28-2014 04:06 PM


Originally Posted by FRT_Fun (Post 1126133)

I want to eventually do dual side draft carbs like so:

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1398704924

I know a thing or two about those. Happy to help if it comes to fruition.

FRT_Fun 04-28-2014 04:21 PM


Originally Posted by miata2fast (Post 1126192)
I know a thing or two about those. Happy to help if it comes to fruition.

I know nothing about them, so if I do go that route prepare your inbox.

Jeffbucc 04-28-2014 07:31 PM

I love me a 2002. If you slam it I will punch you in the testes. So many CR.net type kiddos are ruining them.

FRT_Fun 04-29-2014 11:27 AM


Originally Posted by Jeffbucc (Post 1126263)
I love me a 2002. If you slam it I will punch you in the testes. So many CR.net type kiddos are ruining them.

If I was one to slam the 02, I wouldn't have any testes for you to punch.

So no, not slammage.

Vuti 04-29-2014 11:38 AM


Originally Posted by Jeffbucc (Post 1126263)
I love me a 2002. If you slam it I will punch you in the testes. So many CR.net type kiddos are ruining them.

You better punch the guys who race these, as they are cr.net slammed...

http://www.brunswickracing.co.uk/new...ton%202013.jpg

FRT_Fun 05-02-2014 12:10 PM

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So I am debating on what to do body wise. Mine being a 76 had the ugly big front bumper. I removed it, but I'm debating on whether I want to put the typical front lip that most put on it, or leave it as is and cover the holes from the bumper. Example:

So the front end currently looks kinda like this:
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1399047002

Should I get the lip that looks like this:
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1399047002

FRT_Fun 05-02-2014 12:10 PM

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Good to know MT.net still double posts like a bitch.


Anyways to add on to this, I'm am going for a stock, but a bit more aggressive look. Going to be keeping the 13" wheels for a long time, at least until I make enough power to warrant something wider and bigger brakes. I'm also considering making the chrome trim black like in the bottom picture (I hate chrome). I want to remove it all but don't like body work and don't want to pay someone to fill in all the holes. I am terrible with body stuff. Any suggestions in general?

I'm thinking I want something like this (But just in red and no big ass antenna lol)
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1399047357

Fireindc 05-02-2014 12:19 PM

I like them all except for the silver one, mainly because i don't like the flares. The front lip thing on the silver one is definitely neat though.

Honestly you cant really go wrong on a 2002 as long as you keep it clean.

rleete 05-02-2014 12:22 PM

Put the spoiler on. It looks like it has an overbite otherwise.

FRT_Fun 05-02-2014 12:25 PM

I really liked the silver front lip at first, but for some reason I like it less and less the more I look at it. I like the simplicity of the green and orange one without it. I hate doing body stuff, I have no sense of what looks good.

FRT_Fun 05-02-2014 12:30 PM

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The overbite does kind of kill it for me at some angles, this though looks pretty nice:
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1399048259

Jeffbucc 05-02-2014 12:39 PM

I think if you do the car right the overbite can work with the car. That orange/black alpina for example looks incredible.

I'd probably had the front lip since it gives the front end a little more meat and gives it a more "fleshed" out look.

I don't think you can go wrong with either

rleete 05-02-2014 12:50 PM


Originally Posted by FRT_Fun (Post 1127666)
The overbite does kind of kill it for me at some angles, this though looks pretty nice:
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1399048259

Much better than the first one.

FRT_Fun 05-09-2014 07:46 PM

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KYB + H&R, rides pretty good for what it is.
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1399679211

Pretty nice shock tower brace + rear battery mount. Freeing up some space up front for some moar power.
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1399679211

kaisersoze 05-10-2014 01:54 AM

Love the 2002.
Some will see it as sacrilege but someday soon I will build a 2002 with an F20/F22. CA Tuned makes a swap kit that is relatively simple. Yes I know that an S14 is the only right way to upgrade but they are expensive to build and less reliable than a honduh.
Good luck with your build

UrbanSoot 05-10-2014 05:36 AM


Originally Posted by FRT_Fun (Post 1127649)

This. I've randomly stumbled into Bimmerfest a couple of years back and saw a bunch of widebody 2002's that looked really nice and clean. Not sure if it was an OEM or aftermarket body.

FRT_Fun 05-10-2014 11:08 AM


Originally Posted by kaisersoze (Post 1129887)
Love the 2002.
Some will see it as sacrilege but someday soon I will build a 2002 with an F20/F22. CA Tuned makes a swap kit that is relatively simple. Yes I know that an S14 is the only right way to upgrade but they are expensive to build and less reliable than a honduh.
Good luck with your build

I still haven't decided my route yet. I think for the immediate future I will be going dual 40s. Maybe further down the road I'll swap in a different drivetrain.

Fireindc 05-10-2014 03:34 PM


Originally Posted by FRT_Fun (Post 1129909)
I still haven't decided my route yet. I think for the immediate future I will be going dual 40s. Maybe further down the road I'll swap in a different drivetrain.

Turbo BP swap :bowrofl:

FRT_Fun 05-10-2014 03:46 PM


Originally Posted by Fireindc (Post 1129933)
Turbo BP swap :bowrofl:

lol the BP would probably fit nicely, but definitely no.

Oscar 05-10-2014 03:52 PM


Originally Posted by Fireindc (Post 1129933)
Turbo BP swap :bowrofl:

With both being 70s tech, I don't see why not:dealwithit:

matthewdesigns 05-10-2014 04:08 PM

$500, good lord man what a score. I was surprised to find one on CL last week for $3500.

Front air dam, no bumpers. Keep the 13's. My 2c...

FRT_Fun 05-10-2014 05:37 PM

I just put on the bumper again with the shortening kit and it looks pretty good. Moves the bumper in 3". I'll try and get some photos of it. I'll probably still do a front air dam as it looks pretty good with the bumper. 13's are staying for a good while.

Next on my list is getting the speedo working again. Still waiting on my damn clutch/flywheel so I can fix the last big drivability issue.

FRT_Fun 05-10-2014 06:29 PM

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Looks better in person, and my phone's camera is shit. The bumper looks much bigger than it is in these photos. It sits right up on the bumper sticks out about as far as the hood does. There are too many sorority girls that live near me not to have a front and rear bumper.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1399760965

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1399761010

http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/...psc211919a.jpg

Fireindc 05-10-2014 09:23 PM

I like the bumper. Get some better pics :p

Edit: Just after leaving this thread I cam across dis:


FRT_Fun 05-11-2014 08:41 AM

Hah, yea the guy who restored this is a member on the 02 forum I'm on. Sad to see a nicely restored 02 bite the dust :/

BARMY 05-11-2014 09:48 AM

How much will the 40s cost? Wonder if you could get them off a rusted to death 70s Alfa GTV?

FRT_Fun 05-11-2014 12:16 PM

There is a vendor who sells a pretty nice setup with manifold, linkage, etc.. which I will most likely go with. The whole setup runs about $1200.

Finally got my speedo cable in. The stock one doesn't work with the 320i 5 speed so I had to get a longer one. Having a speedo really increases the awesomeness of the driving experience. Can't really explain it, but seeing that dead needle was killing it for me.

Also changed the oil.

I just need a new clutch/tob and this car will have 0 drivability issues and I can focus on the interior and body. I'm tapping out and taking it to a shop for the clutch though, I'm just not as motivated to do the big stuff anymore.

FRT_Fun 05-12-2014 01:02 PM

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Okay I need opinions from you homos.

Should I convert to EFI/ITBs or go with dual carbs. I like the efficiency and tune-ability of EFI, but carb is so simple, and from what I've read I won't see a huge difference in power between the two with a stock engine. The EFI is going to run me nearly twice as much money no matter how I do it. And it is quite a bit more complex with wiring and setup.

Carbs?
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1399914168

or EFI?
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1399914168

http://www.racetep.com/m10efi2.jpg

Fireindc 05-12-2014 01:41 PM

On that car i'd honestly stick with the carbs. I really like the idea of a good carb setup on a nice old car, and the way they sound and their quirks are awesome.

Althought EFI would be easy to boost down the road, how do these 2.0 take to a bit of FI?

FRT_Fun 05-12-2014 02:47 PM

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I haven't looked too much into boost, as that would be way down the road, and at that point I'd probably just move to a different engine altogether. Although they did make a turbo 2002, not sure if it is the same powerplant though.

I'm really leaning towards the carbs. I'm not one to try and keep things original in a sense, but I do like the idea of carbs on an old BMW, it just feels right. Plus the price is right and installation is cake.

Here are some better pictures:
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1399920477

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1399920477

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1399920477

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1399920477

shuiend 05-12-2014 02:58 PM

I think an MS3x and ITB's would go nicely in that 2002.

FRT_Fun 05-12-2014 03:35 PM


Originally Posted by shuiend (Post 1130361)
I think an MS3x and ITB's would go nicely in that 2002.

I don't think I have the energy for that.

Fireindc 05-12-2014 03:45 PM


Originally Posted by FRT_Fun (Post 1130375)
I don't think I have the energy for that.

I don't see why either, probably not much HP gain to be had vs a properly tuned performance carb setup. Plus you get to play with carbs, which sounds fun to me at least.

I may be weird, but i feel like on old cars the carbs are a big part of what makes them so cool, especially nowdays when anything with carbs is getting more and more rare.

I've got an old 73 triumph gt6 with a straight 6 in it that I'm dying to do a triple weber on some day. Dat sound yo.

curly 05-12-2014 03:55 PM


Originally Posted by Fireindc (Post 1130379)
Plus you get to play with carbs, which sounds fun to me at least.

Play with a quad carb bike and get back to me. It's not fun.

The sound is glorious though.

Harv 05-12-2014 04:02 PM


Originally Posted by FRT_Fun (Post 1126120)
I don't know how much I went into it here, but I was literally all set to go to China for a year. Ended up not enough people signed up for the study abroad program and they canceled it. If I had gone I wouldn't have a place to put a car at all.

Now that I'm not going I need something else.

Ooo, that's unfortunate. :td:

Thanks for the clutch and flywheel though... :wavey:

Harv 05-12-2014 04:18 PM

I have a soft spot for those old BMWs. Dad had a 1600 when I was born and for a long time while I was growing up. We lived out in Hawaii though so the salt air was a big rust factor and the bodies were not long lasting out there. Still, lasted better than the K-cars.

Go carbs.

EO2K 05-12-2014 06:12 PM


Originally Posted by Fireindc (Post 1130379)
I've got an old 73 triumph gt6 with a straight 6 in it that I'm dying to do a triple weber on some day. Dat sound yo.

Get your GT6 running so you can advise me on what to do with my TR6

FRT_Fun 05-13-2014 06:21 PM


Originally Posted by Harv (Post 1130389)
I have a soft spot for those old BMWs. Dad had a 1600 when I was born and for a long time while I was growing up. We lived out in Hawaii though so the salt air was a big rust factor and the bodies were not long lasting out there. Still, lasted better than the K-cars.

Go carbs.

I think I'm pretty set on the carbs at this point. I want simplicity. I'm debating selling off the BEHR A/C kit, which is installed but not hooked up, and making this a dedicated fun cruiser car for the winter months down here in AZ. I'd like to keep everything very simple and clean. Then get something like an new NC or Focus ST for my daily once I graduate.

Jeffbucc 05-13-2014 07:30 PM


Originally Posted by FRT_Fun (Post 1130804)

I think I'm pretty set on the carbs at this point. I want simplicity. I'm debating selling off the BEHR A/C kit, which is installed but not hooked up, and making this a dedicated fun cruiser car for the winter months down here in AZ. I'd like to keep everything very simple and clean. Then get something like an new NC or Focus ST for my daily once I graduate.

Yup do all that. That is the Miata for me. Nice, simple, refined, and clean. I'll drive it when it isn't melt your brain hot and daily my 48mpg Jetta. I poured too much money into the Jetta trying to get the best of both worlds(fast and comfy) and it wasn't worth it. The 2002 will only go up in value if done right.

FRT_Fun 05-13-2014 08:20 PM


Originally Posted by Jeffbucc (Post 1130821)
Yup do all that. That is the Miata for me. Nice, simple, refined, and clean. I'll drive it when it isn't melt your brain hot and daily my 48mpg Jetta. I poured too much money into the Jetta trying to get the best of both worlds(fast and comfy) and it wasn't worth it. The 2002 will only go up in value if done right.

I don't think the 2002 will ever be fast, but I'd like it to be peppy. Which is why I think a simple dual carb setup will be both cool looking, sounding, and add that little kick to make it fun. This thing was a blast when I bought it and it was falling apart, now that the big problems are fixed it's insanely fun.

FRT_Fun 05-15-2014 05:42 PM

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Tons of parts ordered. Just OEM or slightly upgraded parts for the interior, ignition, suspension, engine, transmission, etc...

Current plan is to get the clutch, flywheel, and associated bearings and seals in. Then work on the interior. I have new carpet ordered, and trying to track down E21 recaros for the front and rear seats. Might just go with some Corbeau oem style seats.

Next week this goes in, along with a new clutch, the final big drivetrain part:
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1400190138

UrbanSoot 05-15-2014 06:02 PM

What's the plan with the interior?

FRT_Fun 05-15-2014 07:09 PM

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Well I've ordered the carpet, which is made by a member on bmw2002faq.com. I went with the original tan color (well as close as possible). I want E21 Recaros for the front and rear (they are very close to a direct fit). I will probably go something else though because they are very rare. I might just get my rear seats reupholstered in black, and get black corbeaus up front.

I have the long center console which extends past the shifter a bit, I'll keep that but remove the A/C face adapter and HVAC unit behind it and put in the adapter face for a radio and hazard switch.

My dash is cracked so I'm getting a new improved one from IEmotorsports. I might add a real oil pressure and oil temp gauge at the same time.

I need to headliner, which I'll have shop install, and I'm going to rewire the entire car from head to toe. I have a stock harness which I'm repairing now, and will swap it one for one just before I put in the new carpet.

I also have new seat belts for the front and rear.

I plan to tint the windows as dark as legal before all this as well, to keep the AZ sun from ruining everything.

In the end it should be all nearly new. I'm going with tan door cards, and carpet. Then black front and rear seats. The body will be red and black painted like the Alpinas.

Shooting for something like this:
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1400195394

These are the corbeaus I'm looking at if I don't get the E21 Recaros
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1400195669

This is the exact carpet, but I'm getting tan:
http://johnrhonemedia.com/project200...620-100726.jpg


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