XS-Power & SSautochrome Big 16G turbo... Bang for your buck Review.
 

First of all, good day everyone! I want to cover a very controversial topic, XS-Power and brother company SSAUTOCHROME's Big16G Turbocharger. I'm posting this review as I go so I can give a detailed and accurate review of the product and all that it entails. I, like you who are reading this have wondered if a turbo charger that does not have Garrett or Precision stamped on it will preform as well. I am here to walk you through step-by-step and let you know if it's worth your time and money to purchase a turbocharger at a fraction of the cost.

Before this turns into a flaming thread, I just want EVERYONE to know that if I could afford a ball bearing garrett turbo I wouldn't hesitate. However, i'm not made of money and the turbocharger that XS-Power offers fits my budget.

The turbo that is currently on it is a dsm 14b that has a LOT of miles on it.

Questions being asked:
1. Will it last
2. Will it perform well
3. How is customer service if need be contacted

I purchased the turbo on 12/08/12, the title for the turbo is TD05H-16G Turbo Turbocharger For Mitsubishi Lancer Evo 1 2 3 4-8 TO 450bhp.

Pics of turbo via ebay:
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Specs:
Flange - DSM
Cooling via - Oil and Water
Compressor wheel - Inlet :50.5mm / Outlet
76mm, Trim 55, A/R 0.5
Turbine Wheel - Inlet :65.6mm / Outlet
55.9mm, Trim 73
V-Band centre fitment
Internal wastegate with adjustable actuator
Working Pressure - 300 - 450bhp
Includes fiting kit pictured above

As of now 10/9/12 I am waiting for the turbocharger to arrive, I will keep you guys updated.

let the flaming and hating begin... as soon as I get it in, we are going to put it on and dyno tune it. I will let u guys know what kind of power this thing will be putting down.

Can we flame and hate you for starting this thread now, versus when you actually have something in hand?

I think it's probably fair game. OP, surely you've read all the shit reviews of these turbos on Tuners. Most of them fail completely within the first few thousand miles. Seems like guys here have good luck with Garrett knockoffs though. Also, what are you going to bolt this to?

I'm not here to flame, only to give some constructive comments.

First, don't ask for flaming from the members because it will be freely given and I'm sure you are well aware of its sting.

Like latena said, you would have been much better off posting this with review content instead of making us read through what we think will be a review. Posting real data might have gotten you some brownie points, this most likely not.

Also, I'm sure others will agree that some of the aspects you hope to review (longevity, performance) will not be properly tested with the confounding variables in your setup. All we can expect is a relative comparison to what you had before and its downfalls of choked up charge piping and ready-to-dissolve manifold. Haven't seen the downpipe but, no offense, can't expect much judging from the rest. However, this is a perfect way to test out how great that customer service is :fael:

This is a step towards changing your setup to something respectable, but I doubt a new turbo for the current hardware is the right one. I personally would've enjoyed reading a review with data showing your gains found from installing a well made manifold and nonrestrictive intake piping! Its all about optimizing the system, not trying to push harder against clear restrictions.

Good luck though with whatever you manage to discover!

I wanted to compile the data as it is presented. I will post hard evidence and videos as it comes.

What manifold are you using/planning to use?

Well I already have a custom made DSM flange that is connecting my 14b to the head. Should be a direct replacement for my 14b.

Thanks, bud... I'm going to do the turbo and intake manifold at one time. Someone custom welded the entire intake piping from the MAF to the turbo, It's just one big j pipe. Whover built the car spent a lot of time with custom fabrication

after I get done with the engine bay and all it's components I think you will be pleased. I'm going to take the exhaust mani off when I do the turbo, check for cracks and leaks. Same with the down pipe and dump pipe. Once that is all done i'm going to header wrap and we should have something a little better... and yea and take the hood spacers off!!! lol

Just about anyone here will tell you the same. It's a piece of shit turbo. They are documented like crazy on the dsm forums.

No one here is wondering that. Seriously.

My turbo cost 150 dollars, is dead-nuts reliable and will make 470+hp.

Just stop posting.

lol we've been testing chinachargers for years and already know which ones work and which don't.....cool non-review review bro.

I guess we can use more testing of the mitsu styled turbos, even though most here don't run em lol

Next time, when you make a review thread, please review teh product beforehand or in real time. Not plan to do it. Every other retard n00b has big plans. We see them come and go with the quickness

In all seriousness, you're turbo hardware is so haggard and fucked that I don't think any results you post will be useful.

You obviously don't read.... I said I was replacing intake, downpipe and dump tube, pressure testing and cleaning up exhaust mani.

Are you even on a dsm forum, if you don't want to see or read the info then get off my thread. I'm on dsmtuners and there have been a lot of mixed reviews. I'm young and dumb why not try it and see how it works. If I blow the engine I'll drive my talon tsi awd and drop and v8 in the miata. This is for people who will read down the road and see that it is or is not reliable.

Monday the 10th and I received the turbo after two days. Looks to be a pretty solid turbo, hopefully get to put it on tomorrow.

So, if someone has a cobbled together setup (that is just as much work as a proper setup) and they want to replace their blown out turbo with something that is known to be unreliable, they can come to this thread and see that you bought a turbo.

I hope that turbo enjoys driving around the U.S. on its way to your house, it may be the last time it experiences locomotion.

So in other words, you don't want to buy my Garrett?

Got the turbo on today... found out that my 14b had some 1 or 2 bent compressor fins, no shaft play though.

I have a small coolant leak coming from one of my water lines. I'll fix that and take it for a ride tomorrow.

I preoiled the journal with lucas break in additive, the turbo looks nice and seems to spoil quicker than the 14b did. I revved the car to 5k and hit 4psi, i thought most turbos would only do that with 2 step.

I will post pics tomorrow and hopefully have a video soon.

I would like a Garrett, would you be willing to donate?

Oh dear lord. Why do you own a turbo car, again?

Decent gas mileage with power, fun driving through the mountains, pretty good for autocross.

Today I went for about a 20 mile drive... wholy cow this thing flows so much more than my old warn out 14b. I broke it loose at 50mph at 14psi on one good pull. Other than that i'm going to be conservative for about a week. I'm going to dyno tune, then begin the test of longevity. I will post pics and videos very soon.

Are you on Walmart tires or was it just 35 degrees and wet outside?

Reading this thread makes me get that feeling you get when you slow down, even though you know you shouldn't, to get a better look at that accident on the other side of the freeway.

damn rubbernecker

Ha ha rubber neck, never heard that one. I'm running on falken 215/45Z fk452's, I get decent traction but not good enough to stick on hard pulls from down low. The turbo starts spooling from 2500~2800rpms and have full spool around 3600. It's buttery smooth boost compared to my tired 14B. I love waking up and going to work for the mere fact of getting to drive my car, i'm in l-o-v-e. My girlfriend is already jealous of it and I have only had it two months.

I'm getting a minor water coolant leak at the fittings on the turbo, that seems to be the only problem.

:useless:

I'll donate it when you donate money to my Paypal account.

LOL!!! I'll donate to that account, once I start to get any play with this turbo. Yesterday I participated in a local autocross event, the turbo definitely has a lot more lag than my last turbo. I knew that was going to happen, however, the sacrifice was not in vain. I love how hard it hits up top. So far I have over 2,000 miles...

NO SHAFT play. :jerkit:

I will have pics tomorrow if its not raining.

there is shaft play, just not on your turbo

You have put 2k miles on this turbo in 5 days?

*edit: nevermind...gonna be nice for the sake of a different turbo review

Actually yea, we traveled to the beach and back. Then went up to west virginia to visit some family. It's very possible to put that many miles on.

You are correct sir.

Pics and videos:

http://s1197.beta.photobucket.com/us...8ad1c.mp4.html

http://s1197.beta.photobucket.com/us...e48b2.mp4.html

And yes the videos were filmed with a prehistoric 7.3 megapixel potatoe.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1355766976

Next step, new intake piping from recirculator up.

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Getting there.

wrap your *rubber* water lines next to turbo.

What material would you recommend?

use proper hoses and clamps and your water leak will go away.

What injectors and ecu are you using in this build?

MAF, atmospheric bov,and 14psi makes me cringe but i know some people live for maf systems.

Did you ever get the car tuned and on a dyno?

I'm working on finding some good clamps and hoses, I have transmission hose on it. At the time that was all I could find at my local stores. I have a maf, and running 14 psi, the BOV is recirculated though.

The car came with an AEM fic6, @ 14 psi on the hardest load I can hit I get a max duty cycle of 75%. I'm not sure what brand injectors or how many CC's they flow but has to be 550+ to move that much fuel without even knocking on 80%.

Not yet, after tomorrow I will know if I can afford it or not. I might have to drop about $500 tomorrow for school. If I don't I will get it tuned tomorrow. My goal is to be knocking on 300whp.

Another thing, the maf is so simple to use. Going from speed density to a maf, I absolutely love it.

Is this a stock bottom end?

I was told she has forged rods, not sure on compression or anything of that matter.

More realistically i'll probably be 250~280hp

on band aids

Band aids? If you can tell me one then i'll agree. :loser:

Exactly, quit posting stupid shit you don't know what your talking. Just because your daddy buy's you a holset turbo doesn't mean you know more about cars.

lol you don't even know what the fuck is in your car?

This is why people don't take you seriously.

Find some hard lines from a genuine 16g. They point towards the front of the car, run under the turbo, and keep the lines well away from your manifold. They extend far enough away from the heat that rubber lines won't fail.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...1&d=1355770995

Do you want me to take my entire engine apart just to see what I am running. Other than pistons, rods, or injectors I know exactly whats in my car. Why do you keep jumping in to make comments like this anyways, stay out if you don't have anything positive to say or constructive comments.

I got ya!!! banjos! I'm going to order some, any recommendation where I should try? The fittings I have on there now are a temporary solution

I seriously don't know what to say. You are a complete moron.

Well, I just checked out my AEM FIc and clicked on the switch injector size function. The tuner is calibrated to 1000cc injectors. I'm going to try to get some numbers on the injectors so I can be 100% sure.

Don't say anything then... thank you.

No, I want to see your shit blow up fantastically! I, however, would do exactly that. I looked into buying an already-turbo'd car to save money (which I still might do). If I were to buy one, the first thing I would do would be to wire the wastegate open until I knew everything about the car.

If I knew the engine was rebuilt, I would probably rebuild it myself 1) to learn (I've never built an engine before) and 2) to make sure it was done right. God knows the PO was doing enough things wrong.



The fact that you installed a bigger turbo without even knowing what injectors you have blows my mind.