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Braineack 09-22-2010 08:38 AM

Chanting U-S-A is offensive to Muslims
 
http://weaselzippers.us/2010/09/20/a...ve-to-muslims/

Doppelgänger 09-22-2010 08:43 AM

Let me quote the late John Stewart and say-

"We're fucked"

Braineack 09-22-2010 08:49 AM

I finally agree with him!

NA6C-Guy 09-22-2010 08:52 AM


Originally Posted by Doppelgänger (Post 633043)
Let me quote the late John Stewart and say-

"We're fucked"

:werd:

Doppelgänger 09-22-2010 08:56 AM

Honestly. We're fucked on so many levels. You're damned if you do AND you're damned if you don't. So much ignorance on both sides. Blame everyone. In one sense, cheering "U-S-A" has nothing to do with a college football game...it's the truth. Would it make sense to chant U-S-A at a NASCAR race? But in the same sense this "USA" is the same reason you are allowed to have a different religion/view/lifestyle then the person next to you. Who the hell gets offended about a chant expressing the freedoms that allow you to be who you want to be? So who is the fucking retard that thinks "USA" stands for "Fuck Muslems!"? Because that is what someone out there is accusing it of being. I can even say "Fuck America! I hope it burns in hell!" under the same circumstances of chanting U-S-A...and I'm 100% American myself with no religious affiliation. When will people get it?

Braineack 09-22-2010 08:59 AM

Fuck Muslims. Fuck Islam. Fuck Mohammad.


Time for the witness protection program for me...Muslims: the violent labor union of religion.

http://patdollard.com/2010/09/draw-m...nation-threat/

Doppelgänger 09-22-2010 09:10 AM

I'm sorry, but if you are so easily offended by what someone else's opinion of your religion, you need to end your life....by yourself.

On the flipside, our government is over there dicking around and sticking it's troops in buisness that has nothing to do with us. We don't need to Americanize anything over there. We don't need to keep the peace over there. They don't need a new government. It's a violent region and has been for thousands of years and it's like the US government is acting like this is something new. Same goes with the US/World media when it comes to reporting the cultural differences between there and other places. Just leave them alone. Not that I have a bleeding heart for them but for that fact that I honestly do not care about them and don't want to have their issues shoved down my throat vis US media.

We, the US, have far too many of our own problems to be sitting around with our thumbs up our asses in other countries.


Oh wait..... oil.

NA6C-Guy 09-22-2010 09:12 AM

People are too goddamn sensitive these days. Why the fuck should anyone care what someone else said about them, their people, their religion, ect. There is very little you could say to me that would upset me, outside of yelling in my face, which would get you a punch only because you were yelling, not because of the message. I make jokes about all races (including my alcoholic and suicidal red man) and religions and don't feel bad about any of it. How some people get all vaginal when someone makes an off the cuff comment about their color is just ridiculous to me. Same for religion. Everyone needs to chill the hell out or something. In this case I will say more people should be like me. I take this kind of shit with a grain of salt and don't let it bother me. I'm also one of the most accepting people of anyone I know, of all people from all walks of life. I don't care about your color, your religion, your sexual preference or any of that, as long as you are a decent human, why does that other shit matter. It's all trivial bullshit that people get hung up on. Unless humanity as a whole can get past this kind of thing, we are doomed.

Braineack 09-22-2010 09:13 AM

i dont have a religion, i just hate muslims.

i also agree, the US has no business in the middle east, unless it's nuking iran.

hustler 09-22-2010 09:28 AM

lol:

ohio says:
September 20, 2010 at 11:41 AM

Dear David Green,
You can easily free yourself from your pain of having to live in this country with a cheaply purchased handgun and ammunition or step in front of a bus.

hustler 09-22-2010 09:31 AM


David King says:
September 21, 2010 at 6:12 PM

Deranged Mr. Green,

I spent 3 years touring Afghanistan as a Army Medic, a non combatant and I would like to let you know that I have not only caed for but, saved numerous Enemy Prisoners of War, Afghan Civilians and put my life at great risk to do so. As a Medic my first responsibility is to my Patient no matter who they maybe. I want you to know that even though I sacrificed not only my body but, my mind in this pursuit of saving lives I learned one thing in those 3 years. No matter how much you try to help these people they would not hesitate to Rape and behead you too serve their cause. I would be too happy to set up a fund to collct money to send you to Afghanistan 1st Class so you can experence this culture first hand. A Culture that belevies Woman and Children are not only property but, considered nothing more than live stock. ?If you pick up a copy of Time magazine that shows the young lady from Afghanistan missiing her nose and both ears I would like you to know I flew out and picked her up about 6 hours after that happend to her. I can still hear her screaming in my head to this day. She was mutilated like that because of a slight she made the mistake of making to her husband. You sit comfortably in your classroom talking aboutand commenting on things you know nothing of and probably don’t have the spine to withstand 1 day in the burka of an Afghan woman. I know that you will blow this comment off but, would be more than happy to come to Chicago to debate this issue with you. I am sure you are a good person in their somewhere just terribly misinformed as an educator you should better study and research you subject matter before making such Stupid statements in the future. You have made the University look like morons and I am sure that due to your comments the Military personnel attending or planning to attend will seek their higher education elsewhere as will I. I feel very sorry for you and the University.

With warmest regards,
SGT David King
US Army, Medevac (DUSTOFF)
.

gospeed81 09-22-2010 10:14 AM

That great USA chant is what allows him to have and write those views openly.

I don't agree with him, but I would hate a USA that didn't allow him to say what he thinks. What he thinks is stupid, and we should all shun him...but the boldness and pride that comes from KNOWING you are part of a nation found on liberty, expressed in our zeal, allows him to be stupid...and open his mouth.

Braineack 09-22-2010 10:23 AM

If his master have given him a wife, and she have born him sons or daughters; the wife and her children shall be her master's, and he shall go out by himself.

JasonC SBB 09-22-2010 11:59 AM

Take note guys, the link is to a short article WRITTEN NOT BY A MUSLIM but by some ACADEMIC who is concerned about POLITICAL CORRECTNESS.

So don't go ragging on moslems based on that link. You are falling victim to rabble-rousing by a PC zombie.
Go rag on POLITICAL CORRECTNESS and its stranglehold on the universities.

This kind of crap polarizes people who are too stupid to see the contrived nature of the anti moslem and pc arguments.


On the origins of Political Correctness in Universities:

http://www.academia.org/the-origins-...l-correctness/


Where does all this stuff that you’ve heard about this morning – the victim feminism, the gay rights movement, the invented statistics, the rewritten history, the lies, the demands, all the rest of it – where does it come from? For the first time in our history, Americans have to be fearful of what they say, of what they write, and of what they think. They have to be afraid of using the wrong word, a word denounced as offensive or insensitive, or racist, sexist, or homophobic.

We have seen other countries, particularly in this century, where this has been the case. And we have always regarded them with a mixture of pity, and to be truthful, some amusement, because it has struck us as so strange that people would allow a situation to develop where they would be afraid of what words they used. But we now have this situation in this country. We have it primarily on college campuses, but it is spreading throughout the whole society. Were does it come from? What is it?

We call it “Political Correctness.” The name originated as something of a joke, literally in a comic strip, and we tend still to think of it as only half-serious. In fact, it’s deadly serious. It is the great disease of our century, the disease that has left tens of millions of people dead in Europe, in Russia, in China, indeed around the world. It is the disease of ideology. PC is not funny. PC is deadly serious.

If we look at it analytically, if we look at it historically, we quickly find out exactly what it is. Political Correctness is cultural Marxism. It is Marxism translated from economic into cultural terms. It is an effort that goes back not to the 1960s and the hippies and the peace movement, but back to World War I. If we compare the basic tenets of Political Correctness with classical Marxism the parallels are very obvious.
...

JasonC SBB 09-22-2010 11:59 AM

more...

In 1923 in Germany, a think-tank is established that takes on the role of translating Marxism from economic into cultural terms, that creates Political Correctness as we know it today, and essentially it has created the basis for it by the end of the 1930s.
...
The stuff we’ve been hearing about this morning – the radical feminism, the women’s studies departments, the gay studies departments, the black studies departments – all these things are branches of Critical Theory. What the Frankfurt School essentially does is draw on both Marx and Freud in the 1930s to create this theory called Critical Theory. The term is ingenious because you’re tempted to ask, “What is the theory?” The theory is to criticize. The theory is that the way to bring down Western culture and the capitalist order is not to lay down an alternative. They explicitly refuse to do that. They say it can’t be done, that we can’t imagine what a free society would look like (their definition of a free society). As long as we’re living under repression – the repression of a capitalistic economic order which creates (in their theory) the Freudian condition, the conditions that Freud describes in individuals of repression – we can’t even imagine it. What Critical Theory is about is simply criticizing. It calls for the most destructive criticism possible, in every possible way, designed to bring the current order down. And, of course, when we hear from the feminists that the whole of society is just out to get women and so on, that kind of criticism is a derivative of Critical Theory. It is all coming from the 1930s, not the 1960s.
...
Other key members who join up around this time are Theodore Adorno, and, most importantly, Erich Fromm and Herbert Marcuse
...
Another example is the emphasis we now see on environmentalism. “Materialism as far back as Hobbes had led to a manipulative dominating attitude toward nature.” That was Horkhemier writing in 1933 in Materialismus und Moral. “The theme of man’s domination of nature,” according to Jay, ” was to become a central concern of the Frankfurt School in subsequent years.”
...

How does all of this stuff flood in here? How does it flood into our universities, and indeed into our lives today? The members of the Frankfurt School are Marxist, they are also, to a man, Jewish. In 1933 the Nazis came to power in Germany, and not surprisingly they shut down the Institute for Social Research. And its members fled. They fled to New York City, and the Institute was reestablished there in 1933 with help from Columbia University. And the members of the Institute, gradually through the 1930s, though many of them remained writing in German, shift their focus from Critical Theory about German society, destructive criticism about every aspect of that society, to Critical Theory directed toward American society. There is another very important transition when the war comes. Some of them go to work for the government, including Herbert Marcuse, who became a key figure in the OSS (the predecessor to the CIA), and some, including Horkheimer and Adorno, move to Hollywood.
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In conclusion, America today is in the throes of the greatest and direst transformation in its history. We are becoming an ideological state, a country with an official state ideology enforced by the power of the state. In “hate crimes” we now have people serving jail sentences for political thoughts. And the Congress is now moving to expand that category ever further. Affirmative action is part of it. The terror against anyone who dissents from Political Correctness on campus is part of it. It’s exactly what we have seen happen in Russia, in Germany, in Italy, in China, and now it’s coming here. And we don’t recognize it because we call it Political Correctness and laugh it off. My message today is that it’s not funny, it’s here, it’s growing and it will eventually destroy, as it seeks to destroy, everything that we have ever defined as our freedom and our culture.

lordrigamus 09-22-2010 12:01 PM

I weep for the next generation if they're being taught by idiots like this.

When are these fuckers going to realize no matter how nice and politically correct we are to everybody else, we will never receive the same treatment. There's no reciprocity no matter how good we are to other people. People who hate us will still hate us, if not hate us more because we seem weak.

18psi 09-22-2010 12:04 PM

Bomb all those fucken pieces of shit and take their oil.
Then drop gas prices to 10c/gal and profit.

That's my political view:giggle:

Braineack 09-22-2010 12:07 PM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 633131)
Bomb all those fucken pieces of shit and take their oil.
Then drop gas prices to 10c/gal and profit.

That's my political view:giggle:


sounds like you are in a union. use force to get what you want, then make-believe you can ride unicorns.

18psi 09-22-2010 12:09 PM

America


FUCK YEAH

lordrigamus 09-22-2010 12:11 PM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 633131)
Bomb all those fucken pieces of shit and take their oil.
Then drop gas prices to 10c/gal and profit.

That's my political view:giggle:

Agreed. Nuke the Middle East into a giant glass bowl and fill it with M&Ms and Hersheys Kisses.

Middle East conflicts solved, everyone left gets candy. Textbook win win!

Braineack 09-22-2010 12:16 PM

yeah but in the textbooks they'd spin it to say the Christians set off the nuke and the Indians peacefully brought the candy...

lordrigamus 09-22-2010 12:22 PM

Good point, maybe we'll leave it out of the textbooks.

Either that or make the liberal socialist teachers teach real history instead of their left wing agenda.

olderguy 09-22-2010 12:23 PM


Originally Posted by Doppelgänger (Post 633043)
Let me quote the late John Stewart and say-

"We're fucked"

The passing of John Stewart has gone unnoticed except on this forum.:giggle:

Braineack 09-22-2010 12:26 PM


Originally Posted by lordrigamus (Post 633147)
Either that or make the liberal socialist teachers teach real history instead of their left wing agenda.


lol, we all know how liberals works: where's mine.


teachers > students.


pay them 6 figures and maybe they consider it, but remember they are the front line in ensuring the peons stay in order...

lordrigamus 09-22-2010 12:31 PM


Originally Posted by olderguy (Post 633148)
The passing of John Stewart has gone unnoticed except on this forum.:giggle:

Oh noes! Did he over dose on Bill O'Reilly. To much no spin at one time? :giggle:

GTRicky 09-22-2010 12:32 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 633132)
sounds like you are in a union. use force to get what you want, then make-believe you can ride unicorns.



who doesn't want to ride unicorns?


This is the cancer that eats away at what makes this country great (not you Braineack). People become afraid of anything and everything that comes out of their mouth for fear that they might offend someone. This 'educator' is either trying to provoke thought from people, or truly a brain washed person himself (which is most likely). There is no real counter to PC for it has been embrassed by the culture that rules this country right now. I, myself, counter Pollitical Correctness every day with my lack of caring. Jew jokes are funny as fuck, and I talk about my balls all day long (I can, I HAVE CANCER ;_; ), but taking anything I say seriously while avoiding and ignoring Pollitical Correctness is always a bad move. Being PC in todays world is the only way to be taken seriously, but there is a line. This monkey jew rat tard box takes it in the wrong direction and is only trying to rabble rouse. Fuck him.

Now I'm off to go bang my hot Jew girlfriend while slapping her in the face with ham with a Hitler stash drawn on my upper lip.

JasonC SBB 09-22-2010 12:36 PM

I will say this again


Take note guys, the link is to a short article WRITTEN NOT BY A MUSLIM but by some ACADEMIC who is concerned about POLITICAL CORRECTNESS.

So don't go ragging on moslems based on that link. You are falling victim to rabble-rousing by a PC zombie.
Go rag on POLITICAL CORRECTNESS and its stranglehold on the universities.

This kind of crap polarizes people who are too stupid to see the contrived nature of the anti moslem and pc arguments.

Braineack 09-22-2010 12:37 PM

Man, I'm hungry like a hostage.


too soon?

JasonC SBB 09-22-2010 12:37 PM

To understand this BS, you need to read about the origins of Political Correctness in Universities:
http://www.academia.org/the-origins-...l-correctness/

lordrigamus 09-22-2010 12:38 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 633150)
lol, we all know how liberals works: where's mine.


teachers > students.


pay them 6 figures and maybe they consider it, but remember they are the front line in ensuring the peons stay in order...

You got that right. Totally unmotivated. Only doing enough to make sure the serfs remain in serfdom.

JasonC SBB 09-22-2010 12:45 PM

Political correctness has permeated campuses because of the history of Big Money funding thereof.

It has also permeated the mass media because the journos are products of the universities.

Braineack 09-22-2010 12:47 PM

I was a democrat that went to a liberal college and left a conservative/libertarian... too many hippies for my blood.

Actually, now that I think of it, they did like to use Kant a lot in my Ethics in Journalism classes... you know: Means justifies the end.

lordrigamus 09-22-2010 12:55 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 633167)
I was a democrat that went to a liberal college and left a conservative/libertarian... too many hippies for my blood.

So you did learn something in college.:giggle:

JasonC SBB 09-22-2010 12:56 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 633167)
I was a democrat that went to a liberal college and left a conservative/libertarian... too many hippies for my blood.

Actually, now that I think of it, they did like to use Kant a lot in my Ethics in Journalism classes... you know: Means justifies the end.

This terrific book
http://www.amazon.com/Rational-Indiv.../dp/0972606432
is a short outline of the evolution of philosophical thought, and how it branched into 2 main schools:

- top-down elite control of the masses via Statism/Collectivism, thanks to Kant, Hegel, Marx, Strauss, et al

- a free society based on liberty, individualism, self rule and de-centralized gov't, thanks to Locke, Jefferson, Mises, Bastiat et al. (it was this original philosophy that made this country great)


The real objectives of top-down elite control via centralized gov't in today's supposedly democratic society is hidden by the rhetoric of democracy, political correctness, welfarism, military belligerence, and above all, the fantasy that the voting system selects morally upright individuals to write our laws, and the false left/right paradigm that the media and gov't educational system present.

The science of psychopathy today, can explain how morally bankrupt politicians can project a likeable persona, have the required leadership and manipulation skills, but are completely self-serving:
http://www.strike-the-root.com/91/groves/groves1.html
Centralization of power plays right into their hands.

GTRicky 09-22-2010 12:59 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 633157)
Man, I'm hungry like a hostage.


too soon?

Dude, I spit soda everywhere when I read this i lol'd so hard. my army co-workers are looking at me funny now. I can't tell them, they might be secret PC Police.

Braineack 09-22-2010 01:24 PM


Originally Posted by JasonC SBB (Post 633170)


can i get the audiobook? I just d/led the fountainhead...

Doppelgänger 09-22-2010 01:28 PM

Freedom isn't free.....


It costs $1.05 (must be said as 'a buck-o-five'..as some of you will not get this.)








Seriously though. The bullshit that has spread has consumed the minds of too many people. There is no motivation anymore to change things. There is no cause. Our more recent society has only really had this war in the Middle-East, but with a combination of "it's revenge for 9/11" and how our media has made it feel so distant has really nullified any kind of push to create a cause to bring everyone together. Nothing like WWI/WWII, Vietnam, civil rights, or a booming economy that has fueled people to work together like in the past. Unfortunately, our last president fukkered up a bunch and made people start waking up, but that was only extinguished when the new politicians played on what people were begging for, promising these things but only to cover it up with smoke and mirrors to not fulfill their promises. I will admit that I am rather ignorant on much of the politics that surround me, but I have to keep it that way or my head will explode. It's come to a point where people aren't organized enough to make a stand and take our shit back. Honestly, I'd like to see a big billboard with something like "AMERICASUCKS.COM" to catch the attention only to find a site that envokes truth and emotion to get shit straightened out. It'll take such a slogan to make people remember and get angry enough to actually go and check it out. Think about it, if you had advertisements for something like "bringoutthetruth.com" or something, you're going to have a split of people, some who will think it's some conspiracy crap and some who won't bother to readt/remember it because it's too long and insignicant to their being and you'll get some that will remember it and look. But make something that makes a statement about everyone and now you've got their attention.

But then again, I could be speaking out my ass. For fuck's sake, I don't even know what political catergory I fall under :giggle:

GTRicky 09-22-2010 01:32 PM

America! Fuck yea! Time to save the mother fucking day-yea! America! Fuck yea!

NA6C-Guy 09-22-2010 05:29 PM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 633136)
America


FUCK YEAH

That's Amerikuh!

lordrigamus 09-22-2010 05:39 PM

If people don't wake up the sign is going to say "Welcome to the USSA".

JasonC SBB 09-22-2010 05:46 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 633185)
can i get the audiobook? I just d/led the fountainhead...

Don't know. This book was one that I bought a regular used copy of.

gospeed81 09-22-2010 05:54 PM

Can we still do this at World Cup Soccer matches?

FRT_Fun 09-22-2010 06:22 PM

I will rape all the fucking noobs in this world.

thirdgen 09-22-2010 06:40 PM

The word "muslim" is offensive to me. It's on the same lines as "child molester" or "wife beater". So if they can be offended by a society who has things like freedom and equality, then they should be offensive to us. F those jerk offs.

sixshooter 09-22-2010 08:30 PM


Originally Posted by thirdgen (Post 633340)
The word "muslim" is offensive to me. It's on the same lines as "child molester" or "wife beater". So if they can be offended by a society who has things like freedom and equality, then they should be offensive to us. F those jerk offs.

Actually, Muhommmed (they all spell it differently so I can, too) married a nine year old child named Aisha, in the year 622, as one of his wives, so at least one of your references above might carry some water.

05pearl 09-22-2010 08:56 PM

Usa! Usa! Usa!

Bond 09-22-2010 09:27 PM

I'm gonna bomb every country that ends with "istan" COZ THEY ALL STUPID


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