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Originally Posted by Reverant
(Post 1610323)
I know what my chances are from dying or getting a permanent side effect from the vaccine (<0.1%) than dying or getting a permanent side effect from covid (8-25% depending on several factors) and without a doubt chose the vaccine.
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Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 1610324)
I didnt realize you were old and fat.
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Originally Posted by Bajingo
(Post 1610325)
what about someone like myself who is in a age and health demographic that has covid complications less than vaccine complications?
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Originally Posted by Reverant
(Post 1610326)
I didn't realize you don't know how to make a proper conversation.
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...4a57b76485.png There have been more confirmed cases recently than without any vaccine whatsoever. So I didn't know a greater number of cases meant a "reduced rate" in Greece. what actual percentage is the reduction? +10%? Surely, there was testing and you can easily get that number from a study... How about this, lets just say it's a 10% reduction, and 60% of the population has the vaccine. There should still be a measurable decrease in cases from last year, right? But we don't see that. I wonder why that is? No one else is benefiting from you getting a vaccine. And most likely, you're not even benefiting... Pfizer is. |
Originally Posted by Reverant
(Post 1610327)
What are the covid complications for your age group and what percentage? What are the vaccine complications for your age group and what percentage?
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Posting graphs or statistics without knowing ANYTHING else is not a good idea. Here's why.
Last year, we had 2500-4000 cases per day with full lockdowns, mask mandates inside or out. And about 80-120 deaths per day. Right now, there is no lock down, and a mask mandate only inside closed areas, except restaurants. Daily cases are now 2000-2500 despite almost no measures, and daily deaths 35-40. Percentage of patients in ICUs that are unvaccinated/partially vaccinated: 86%. Fully vaccinated: 14%. |
Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 1610329)
there is not honest data on either of these...
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Originally Posted by Reverant
(Post 1610327)
What are the covid complications for your age group and what percentage? What are the vaccine complications for your age group and what percentage?
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...e97c6479b0.jpg https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...1a4941966c.jpg vaccine safety data is still very murky. |
Originally Posted by Reverant
(Post 1610331)
You choose to label them as dishonest. If they fitted your narrative, you would use them.
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Originally Posted by Bajingo
(Post 1610332)
death in my age group by cases is ~0.15 (I was lazy with my math) I was unable to find numbers that would remove fat people from my estimates, so my personal numbers should be far far lower. Here's where I took my numbers from.
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...e97c6479b0.jpg https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...1a4941966c.jpg vaccine safety data is still very murky. |
Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 1610334)
If the vaccine worked
In Greece, where I closely monitor the data, it does work based on my previous post and the data shows that. |
based on my premise, am i wrong?
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Originally Posted by Reverant
(Post 1610335)
I would want to see the death rates from the vaccine for those age groups for comparison. We know there are deaths from the vaccine and certainly do know they are in the orders magnitude lower than covid deaths.
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Originally Posted by Bajingo
(Post 1610339)
you know very well that we aren't going to get death or complications rates for the vaccine any time soon. I'd much rather take known chances than unknown chances.
That's a known number. There are other complications and side effects. They are well known, understood, published and cross verified in journals. I have yet to see a significant one that is not 100x less in rate compared to serious covid complications (including long covid symptoms that are now on the rise, including for asymptomatic patients, mostly in your age group). |
Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 1610338)
based on my premise, am i wrong?
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Originally Posted by Reverant
(Post 1610341)
Why not? For example, we already know that the myocarditis complication rate, which I assume is your biggest concern since your are in the 12-29 age group, is 41 in 1,000,000. That's 0.0041%.
That's a known number. There are other complications and side effects. They are well known, understood, published and cross verified in journals. I have yet to see a significant one that is not 100x less in rate compared to serious covid complications (including long covid symptoms that are now on the rise, including for asymptomatic patients, mostly in your age group). I have not found rates for long covid, but the information I've seen suggests that it's primarily in more severe cases. In the end it doesn't really matter, I don't trust the people that are pushing the vaccine so hard, they've lied to us excessively. If I was in a different demographic I would probably swallow my reservations and get it. I'm also 95% sure I already had it. |
I like how the one guy wearing a mask is shown with it down past his nose.
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...0122722b73.jpg |
Originally Posted by Bajingo
(Post 1610344)
I don't trust the people that are pushing the vaccine so hard
No one ever really questioned them, even when they were new, like the covid vaccines. In fact, my understanding is that they hailed their arrival with great relief. |
Originally Posted by Reverant
(Post 1610347)
No one ever really questioned them, even when they were new, like the covid vaccines. In fact, my understanding is that they hailed their arrival with great relief.
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I'm sure they are, however I would like to ask you to think if you know one incident where the specific companies making these vaccines, have had unethical business practices. Don't google them, just ask yourself. I'm not waiting for an answer.
For example, I know about the opioid crisis in the US and I know the company behind that was Insys. I don't know of any scandal where AstraZeneca, Pfizer, Moderna and J&J were involved, and to the point where it would make me question the vaccine's safety. |
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