Originally Posted by blaen99
(Post 816014)
I :rofl:'d at "more traditional conservative perspective". Does he mean the perspective that's only existed in the Republican party for a decade or two?
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Originally Posted by mgeoffriau
(Post 815979)
What kind of third option would exist for a massively overleveraged market?
B) Allowing the deleveraging to occur in a more organic method by a combination of defaults, credit writedowns and debt pay offs with an emphasis on the latter. That is, let crappy banks fail in a controlled method, let companies go bankrupt in the normal fashion and let households continue to delever either through paying off debt or by defaulting if they are insolvent (unable to make the loan payments). What I am envisioning is more like setting a compound fracture versus amputating the limb. |
so in other words, you wanna give capitalism a shot?
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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/08/ma...bert.html?_r=1
Colbert is trolling the political races. And it's awesome. |
Originally Posted by Scrappy Jack
(Post 816041)
A) Please note that I am being literal when I say "Maybe. I am not convinced there isn't a third option." In other words, I am not saying "there definitely is a third option."
B) Allowing the deleveraging to occur in a more organic method by a combination of defaults, credit writedowns and debt pay offs with an emphasis on the latter. That is, let crappy banks fail in a controlled method, let companies go bankrupt in the normal fashion and let households continue to delever either through paying off debt or by defaulting if they are insolvent (unable to make the loan payments). What I am envisioning is more like setting a compound fracture versus amputating the limb. B) I'm not sure I understand -- is it "organic" or is it "controlled"? And if it's controlled, by whom? Regardless, isn't what you're describing a market correction in response to the overleverage? Won't it still be painful, no matter how slowly it happens? That's my point -- the overleverage has to be corrected, and it's going to be a bitter pill for those on the receiving end of it. The question is simply whether we take steps to minimize the pain (ie, allowing the market to clear the leverage, allowing real estate prices to drop instead of trying to inflate it yet again, etc.) or we try to delay or avoid the inevitable. |
http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2012/...-in-a-lobbyist
So, the best investment in the US is a Lobbyist. Drive-by posting by me, be back later! |
This is so friggin' funny. Statism at it's best. "You must become prostitute."
Hell, we can't even drug test our handout recipients here. |
Although what you are trying to imply, even if taken at face value, isn't statist Six (See long threads on this...)....
Let's take it at the actual meaning. Person A offers Person B a perfectly legal job but completely on Person A's terms. Person B declines it. Person B gets their unemployment benefits cut. This sounds like the wet dream of anti-unemployment people. Typically that crowd doesn't go for what you term as "statism". |
For someone who has zero political experience, how do I get to the point where I can make an effective run for president? I've got 8 more years before I'll legally be allowed to run, so there's still some time. I would make a badass president, and people would vote for me 'cuz I'm not scared.
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Originally Posted by mgeoffriau
(Post 816095)
A) Sure. That's what I was asking what kind of third option might exist, not demanding that you give me a detailed defense of such a third option.
Originally Posted by mgeoffriau
(Post 816095)
B) I'm not sure I understand -- is it "organic" or is it "controlled"? And if it's controlled, by whom?
Originally Posted by mgeoffriau
(Post 816095)
Regardless, isn't what you're describing a market correction in response to the overleverage? Won't it still be painful, no matter how slowly it happens? That's my point -- the overleverage has to be corrected, and it's going to be a bitter pill for those on the receiving end of it. The question is simply whether we take steps to minimize the pain (ie, allowing the market to clear the leverage, allowing real estate prices to drop instead of trying to inflate it yet again, etc.) or we try to delay or avoid the inevitable.
Ron Paul and the Austrians = "cut the leg off" Bernanke and the Monetarists = "apply more antibiotics" (to a compound fracture!) Mosler and some MMTers = "set the leg until it's strong enough to support some weight, then undergo serious rehab" |
I hope you guys are ready. The full on HERPA DERP just hit this election cycle.
http://www.americanindependent.com/2...aids-denialist HIV does not cause AIDS now. Gay sex causes AIDS instead. All the people who have AIDS from heterosexual activity? Just gays in the closet who won't admit to their homosexual liaisons. I only wish I was joking. (Edit) Ah hell, this one is so insane I had to post it. Masturbation can be a form of homosexuality because it is a sexual act that does not involve a woman. |
What does any of post #851 have to do with this election cycle?
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Originally Posted by Gearhead_318
(Post 816025)
Here is why religious politicians ... are dangerous:
they only claim to be to get more votes. What I am trying to say here is dont attack christianity and the bible for the actions of heritics. (i know u didn't explicitly say it) case and point
Originally Posted by Gearhead_318
(Post 816025)
Therefor if you happen to be gay and want to get married, if we have a "leader" like Santorum then your civil rights mean sh*t, because "god" said when a man lyes with another man it is an abomination.
He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. Then there are church organizations that are made up of churches across the nation Assemblies of God for example. While the churches are expected to be self-sustainable and they manage their own fund, they do not work for themselves. All pastors/employees of these churches are employees of the assemblies of god. john ashcroft was/is an AG (assemblies of god) guy. At these churches the pastors are not allowed to teach everything they believe if it does not line up with the AG authorities. It is disgusting the level of politics it takes to operate such an organization. And of course they do discuss politics and endorse politicians.
Originally Posted by Gearhead_318
(Post 816025)
Or maybe your a godless heathen like me and you don't want your kids getting taught bullsh*t like "intelligent design" in schools, too goddamn bad, now your biology book comes with an added section and a warning sticker. That's why we're behind the rest of the world when it comes to science.
you my friend could be accused of being religious for believing in something that is still not proven on paper. I am not saying negate science. I encourage the the search for knowledge. And im surely not saying that i myself am a christian for I am not. Job 26:7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing. hangeth the earth upon nothing.....think about that for a second....perhaps an indication of floating in space? kinda contradicts pre-americas science doesn't it? In Genesis 17:12, God specifically directed Abraham to circumcise newborn males on the eighth day. Why the eighth day? In 1935, professor H. Dam proposed the name “vitamin K” for the factor in foods that helped prevent hemorrhaging in baby chicks. We now know vitamin K is responsible for the production (by the liver) of the element known as prothrombin. On the eighth day, the amount of prothrombin present actually is elevated above one-hundred percent of normal—and is the only day in the male’s life in which this will be the case under normal conditions. If surgery is to be performed, day eight is the perfect day to do it. Vitamin K and prothrombin levels are at their peak. the bible repeatedly says that god stretches out the heavens we know today that the universe is expanding and everything is getting further apart Ezekiel 4:9 Take thou also unto thee wheat, and barley, and beans, and lentiles, and millet, and fitches, and put them in one vessel, and make thee bread thereof, according to the number of the days that thou shalt lie upon thy side, three hundred and ninety days shalt thou eat thereof. this is what god had instructed ezekiel to eat during a fast. this and only this today it has proven to be the most complete source of protein derived from vegitation the amino acids are a nearly complete protein comparable to milk or eggs im not trying to tell you you are wrong i am not trying to tell you the bible and creationism is right i am trying to show you that there is some pretty impressive science in the bible both creationism and evolution cant be proven on paper you should learn to respect other peoples beliefs, else yours wont be respected you should learn to identify the difference between a christian and a heritic mainstream christianity is largely heritic, most of these heritics dont realize they are heritics whatsoever. they are regurgitating what their parent's church taught them. It took me FOREVER to finally get my mother to realize that it is not a sin to drink alcohol. the bible clearly says not to get drunk. it never says not to drink. heck jesus drank and yet the AG teaches that any drinking whatsoever is a sin? this my friend is a fence law and this fence law in particular goes to the point of hericy and perhaps hyprocacy since saying it is a sin to drink alcohol is implying that jesus had sinned. I have read much of the bible. I did it with the perspective of someone who has not learned the mainstream ideas of it. There is sooooooo much of what is taught in mainstream churches that i just don't understand where at in the bible they derive these sermons from. for example the bible only specifies three characters that will burn for an eternity, lucifer, the false prophet, and the antichrist. |
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Evolution can and has been proven. There is nothing "faith-based" about it. It's not a belief, it's not conjecture.
Originally Posted by Scrappy Jack
(Post 816232)
What does any of post #851 have to do with this election cycle?
I.e. Rick Perry has extensive ties to that political group, Scrappy. |
Originally Posted by blaen99
(Post 816252)
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Evolution can and has been proven. There is nothing "faith-based" about it.. natural adaption (which is evolution) can be proven speciation (the part of evolution that creationists argue) can not be proven am i wrong? have we ever witnessed a species have two species come from it that are so different from each other that they are not capable of breeding with each other? you know like in the same manner that we are supposedly related to monkeys? are we even capable of observing such a thing? |
Originally Posted by jared8783
(Post 816254)
we have already been through this on this very same thread
natural adaption (which is evolution) can be proven speciation (the part of evolution that creationists argue) can not be proven am i wrong? One example of natural speciation is the diversity of the three-spined stickleback, a marine fish that, after the last ice age, has undergone speciation into new freshwater colonies in isolated lakes and streams. Over an estimated 10,000 generations, the sticklebacks show structural differences that are greater than those seen between different genera of fish including variations in fins, changes in the number or size of their bony plates, variable jaw structure, and color differences. Incidentally, if you agree that the possibility of natural adaption can exist, you also agree that the possibility of speciation exists. Speciation is merely natural adaption over a longer period of time. |
Originally Posted by blaen99
(Post 816255)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciation
We have an enormous body of hard evidence of speciation taking place. ice age? 10,000 generations? yeah i dont thing we have been closely following the sticklebacks since the ice age aren't we just looking at fossils that we believe to be from that time? and theorizing based on that? was this a controlled experiment? can we duplicate the results?
Originally Posted by blaen99
(Post 816255)
Incidentally, if you agree that the possibility of natural adaption can exist, you also agree that the possibility of speciation exists. Speciation is merely natural adaption over a longer period of time.
it is merely un-observable therefore it can not be proven edit: i totally respect that people believe in evolution. just saying it is not proven to the extent that many say it it. hell i never seen a scientist say it is proven as you do. they just present evidence and state what and why they believe it. that i respect |
All right, you want observed instances? You got it buddy.
de Vries was studying the evening primrose in 1905, and found an unusual variant. It had a chromosome number of 2n = 28, while the normal primrose had a chromosome number of 2n = 14. This new species of primrose was unable to breed with the parent, and acquired a new taxonomical name O. gigas as opposed to it's parent, O. lamarckiana. Neither the child species nor the parent species can interbreed. In 1964, several samples of the polychaete worm, species Nereis acuminat were collected in Long Beach Harbor California. They were allowed to grow and differentiate within a closed environment. Each species remained fertile within it's own population. In 1991, populations of the worm were again taken from Long Beach California. Not only were there substantial genetic and anatomical differences in all of the species compared to the original, they were unable to interbreed even though they were perfectly capable of breeding and being fertile within each species. Want more? |
Originally Posted by blaen99
(Post 816261)
Want more?
yes idk pm me or something since evolution has little if anything to do with politics maybe start another thread i want to know more about these studies how exactly they were conducted how exactly they kept track of specific worms was this a controlled experiment? can these results be duplicated? ect. |
I propose an alternative then, Jared. A topic dedicated to this. Yay/nay?
/I'm not a subscriber, I have like...25 PMs worth of storage. |
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