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This thread is almost the only sign of what's happening over here in Australia. The whole western world will go through this in my lifetime, I only hope we here will be a strong as your people.
Much respect to all of you, godspeed. Dann |
Stay safe, Hakan.
BBC News - Turkish government says it may use army to end protests The Turkish government has said it could use the army to end nearly three weeks of unrest by protesters in Istanbul and other cities. BBC Q&A: BBC News - Q&A: Protests in TurkeyThe government would use "all its powers" and the armed forces if necessary, Deputy Prime Minister Bulent Arinc said on state-run television. [...] Trade unions have called a strike to protest against the police crackdown on demonstrators which has seen some 500 people arrested. Medical officials estimate that 5,000 people have been injured and at least four killed in the unrest. Counter-points from Erdogan supporters: BBC News - Turkish voices back Erdogan against protests |
I foresee a lot more violence in Turkey. The excessive brutality of the govt. seems to be making it worse and turning a lot more people against Erdogan that would normally be neutral.
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Some dingdong among the paid crowds - forced to attend the PM's rally on Sunday proudly proclaimed she's Recep Tayyip Erdogan's dingleberry, on live TV!
Goes to show how political, bright, astute and wise sheeple can be. (I'm safe, and doing well, btw) |
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(I'm safe, and doing well, btw)
You are our light to what is going on inside Turkey. This is an historic time, so take a few pictures. I love individual liberty and detest government tyranny. And I generally like to support the underdog being faced with overwhelming odds. We are with you in spirit. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1371554728 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1371554728 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1371554728 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1371554728 |
I am interested to see if the PM is stupid enough to try and use the military to stomp out the protestors. Due to the fact that much of the military is still secular and everyone has to serve a small stint in the military at some point I have a feeling it would lead to split forces and a possible civil war. This could get really ugly really fast if military force is used.
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I could see the PM kicking out of native Turks from the country, importing muslims in their stead and giving them all access to healthcare, a living wage without a job, and a newly vacant house.
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Originally Posted by Braineack
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I could see the PM kicking out of native Turks from the country, importing muslims in their stead and giving them all access to healthcare, a living wage without a job, and a newly vacant house.
Meanwhile, my perception of the protestors is that they are an interesting hybrid of secular leftists who want to resist the (corrupt) commercialization of public spaces and who feel a resentment toward their perception of a breakdown in the separation of church and state. In simpler terms, imagine if G.W. Bush was as religious and mean as MSNBC thought he was and the Occupy Wall Street gang was cleaner and gainfully employed. Quote from one of the protestors in Istanbul: We are absolutely tired of shopping malls and turning of green areas and historic monuments into temples of commercialism. There's been a continuous attack on our lifestyle, our beliefs and freedoms and we are now reaching a turning point.
Originally Posted by Ryan_G
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I am interested to see if the PM is stupid enough to try and use the military to stomp out the protestors. Due to the fact that much of the military is still secular and everyone has to serve a small stint in the military at some point I have a feeling it would lead to split forces and a possible civil war. This could get really ugly really fast if military force is used.
I understand Hakan's view that the most recent elections, in which Erdogan's party won, were suspect. That said, he seems to still have the support of a significant portion of the population and many may not sympathize with the protestors as much as you might think. |
Originally Posted by Scrappy Jack
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I understand Hakan's view that the most recent elections, in which Erdogan's party won, were suspect. That said, he seems to still have the support of a significant portion of the population and many may not sympathize with the protestors as much as you might think.
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Originally Posted by Scrappy Jack
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I don't think you understand the situation at all.
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godless commie,
I've been reading this thread with interest and I just read a report on one of the Spanish newspapers that concerned me: Erdogan planea restringir las redes sociales para evitar provocaciones - ABC.es I'm going to translate the basics: Erdogan is considering the possibility of restricting the use of social media (twitter and facebook). It sure doesn't say much about his concept of democracy. Sorry man. Keep safe. |
He's doing it because the regular news outlet wont report and all my turk friends are posting on facebook and alike to pass the news back to Turkey so they know what is actually going on.
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About 20,000 people gathered peacefully to leave carnations in Taksim square in memory of those who died during the "resistance movement" since May 31.
Police responded with a brutal attack, initiated by water cannons (laced with chemicals), tear gas grenades, and clubbed people senseless. The PM, meanwhile keeps fanning the flames. At a rally today, he said he wants the Gezi Park cleared, so "his citizens" can go and enjoy the place. People all agree his days are numbered. "Everyday I am Chapuling" https://www.google.com/search?safe=o...w=1920&bih=993 |
I come from a long family history of civil disobedience. The Spanish civil war, the communist revolution in Cuba... My ancestors bravely packed up and ran away from each one.
Watching episodes like this unfold make me sort of vaguely uneasy with a hint of familial nostalgia... As though I feel I ought to be bravely packing up and running away from it. And yet I have never found myself in such a position. It seems that in the US, our various regional and federal governments are literally too big (and too smart) to fail. |
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Turkish riot police break up protest rallies - Europe - Al Jazeera English
In the capital Ankara, riot police fired water cannon and tear gas to disperse hundreds of protesters, some of them shouting slogans against Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, and at one location they built barricades to block a main street, according to witnesses. In Istanbul, Turkey's biggest city, demonstrators threw carnations at a phalanx of officers carrying shields who slowly advanced towards them, flanked by water cannon, to clear Taksim Square. "Police, don't betray your people!" activists shouted after they had been scattered into streets leading to the public square. |
Hobbyist drone footage:
http://mashable.com/2013/06/19/drone-journalism-turkey/ George Orwell had it backwards. Today the people have more cameras than the gov't, and soon, more drones! |
Please take the time to look through this:
40 Tragic Pictures From Turkey As Clashes Erupt After Death Of 15-Year-Old Berkin Elvan |
Oh wow!
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