Dream Act?
 

So if your between the age of 16-30 and have lived here at least 5 years without breaking laws you can stay? Didn't they break the law to begin with? Is this a "reelection" thing for Hispanic voters?

Word on the street is Hobama needs moar votez

Doesn't he need some kind of vote to make this legal?

no, obama is the law.

this.

if you disagree, you are racist

Well I see a fundamental flaw in this law, if you came here illegally, you broke a law, therefore no one qualifies.

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Step 1. Tell states you cannot investigate or confirm citizenship of voters
step 2. Amnesty for illegals
step 3. Socialize Amerika

Step 4: Appoint yourself commander for the next 40 years....


If I was a naturalized citizen of this country I'd be severely pissed at this. Guess I'm just a racist bigot, but I'm feeling like the only people in this country who have to follow the rules are those of us who were born here. My grandfather moved here in the 1930s and followed the rules. This I have nothing against, what I am against is people who break laws to get here and there are no legal actions taken. People who come here and expect me to change everything to cater to them.

I have close personal friends who were born in other countries yet are now naturalized citizens. They learned and speak English and follow the rules. They're also really good friends who have been through a lot of ---- where they came from and wanted to come here for a better life.

But I guess I'm just a white racist pig because I believe EVERYBODY should be held to the same standards and have to follow the same rules.

This dream act is actually for people who were brought here as children (younger than 16) and have lived here for at least five years and have no criminal record of any sort. Also it requires these kids to at least finish high school or have a GED. Most of the time these kids come here and America is all they know, some don't even speak the language of their home country. We would be dooming these children if we were to throw them back to where they came from. And the people that are dream act eligible can become productive members of society.

Listen.

Everyone should be stamped citizen.

Why not.

Unless they r fukky


Then they all pay taxes and shiz yay

Not really because none of those people should be here in the first place, they could apply for citizenship at any time (like right now). Is this nation going to grant amnesty to illegals every 30-years? America has enough problems, she doesn't need another batch of irresponsible illegal aliens. If this were any other country in the world, these illegals would get thrown out on their ass for not following the process. Why do you expect a group of people who come over here illegally and stay here illegally to develop into "productive members of society"? Suddenly the speeding ticket I got last year had more severe consequences than entering this country illegally.

BTW, the Dream Act is dead because the Senate voted it down...yes, the Senate. lol @ EO abuse. I love the White House mayhem served up to us for election season. Is there anything this guy won't do for re-election?

Whoa:
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1339916493

Applying for citizenship should be ez as shiz


Framnkly all of our ancensotrs

Yes hyustly I am indeed white.

Came through ellis island

what did they do?

Oh. You have a face. Have a cizenship.

One thing is that illegals can not just apply for citizenship. There is no clear way for illegals to become legal. I agree that illegals should not be here. But it it's the fact that very few mexicans get approved for a visa. My wife's family is mexican citizens living in mexico and my mother in-law just applied for a visa (120usd) and got denied for not having enough money. Why do you say irresponsible illegal aliens? These people eligible under the dream act have done nothing to be considered anything else but good people. Maybe their parents are irresposible for bringing the kids here. As far as getting illegals thrown out, imagine how much money that would cost. Instead, make them legal and they can pay taxes.

I think that one main reason the Dream Act didn't pass the Senate is that the senate is republican and we have a democrat in the white house. I don't agree with Obama most of the time, but so far he is the only one to help illegals. Illegals needs some sort of path to become legal. The reason we have illegals is because they try the legal route and get denied over and over again and they come over here as a last resort to support their families.

Um, yes you can. If very few people get approved, that does not justify illegal status. That's the beauty of the selection process, the USA won't take just anyone.

I thought they "already paid taxes"?

This is a good thing as you've presented it, there needs to be a cut-off where the USA doesn't provide citizenship to people who will immediately go to welfare. Contrary to your story, my GF's dad is naturalized and claims that he obtained naturalization when he was a busser in a restaurant. These days he owns a successful home remodeling company and does not employ illegals and makes a -----ton of money. I know a legal immigrant construction contract who only employs legal citizens is a unicorn and cannot exist in nature, but I believe this fabled legend.

Booting illegals and amnesty are two different things.

So the solution for a deficient or corrupt citizenship approval process is amnesty? Rather than grant amnesty, this president should have enacted a "naturalization push" to support and encourage legal citizenship.

We have enough Americans out of work. We don't need more illegals coming here and undercutting the ------- rest of them.

scabs... they're all scabs...

You mean the Wild Dream "Act?"

The president has no authority to do what he's trying to do. The Bill wasn't voted down in the Senate. It's a dead bill. The President with no authority can activate a dead bill without first going through and being ratified by both houses.

What he is doing is criminal, much like the illegals living here.

Source: Article II of the U.S. Constitution.

cool story? What does that have to do with anything? They have to finish school in out pathedic gov't run system? So basically they get a free ride on my coattails? great!

That's not our problem. In Syria the gov't is killing their own citizens...

These same people can become productive members of any society. If we dropped them off in Canada, they'd do just as well as they would if we dropped them off in Iran.


honestly, the president should be impeached for this, among other things.

Heck, they impeached bill for getting a bj...

No, they impeached him for perjury in his testimonies to the grand jury in regards to the Ken Starr's case, obstruction of justice in regards to the Paula Jones case back in 1994 when he was still governor, where she accused him of dropping his pants and asking her to perform a blow job, and perjury in the Paula Jones case.

Get your facts straight.

Some reading for the shill.

Some reading for the shill and/or those actively engaging in lying (via omission).

http://www.factcheck.org/2011/07/did...act-dream-act/

Especially considering Obama has set record numbers for deportation - yes, even more than Bush. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/1...n_1018002.html (Yes, Huffpolol just to tweak some poster's noses, but feel free to check any of the numerous sources on this. And yes, they use the same metric as the Bush administration too, for when someone tries to drag out that tired old fallacy.)

:drama: I love the hypocrisy. Seriously. One poster in particular in this thread constantly accuses Obama of lying, of having ulterior motives, and more - and then engages in that very behavior himself.

isnt huffington post the same publication that said obama has spent less than other presidents because they artibuted the stimulus bill with bush?


but nice strawman, saying he's deported more people than anyone else is completely outside the point/argument.

that's like saying justin beiber was better than kurt cobain because kurt cobain never had the #1 twitter account following.


also, factcheck is a partisan website.

goddamn as much as I hate his policies, he was a boss in a couple ways.

Irrelevant. I specifically stated I linked to it to get this reaction from you - and I can give you a dozen links across the political spectrum for the same sentiment. Research it yourself if you doubt me.

Actually, it is completely the point/argument.

Obama is supposed to be "soft" on immigrants, he's supposed to be giving them a backdoor into the country according to what you claim. Now you are doing a 180 on that point.

Obama has deported record numbers of illegal immigrants, and has substantially increased deportation of criminals and others. In fact, criminal deportations compared to the Bush administration has increased by 80%.

80%.

Do you know what he's doing Brainy? He's telling the deportation services "Focus on the criminals, the gangs, and the threats. We have a limited amount of resources to employ against deportation of illegal aliens, and we need to focus on the threats first."

Of course, if you are proposing to give ICE an unlimited budget, then I am certain they can do everything you want them to do Brainy. But the reality is they have a limited budget, and have been directed to focus on criminals. Not only this, but they have been deporting a record number of illegal aliens.

And then you throw the "But that's not the poiiinnntttt! Wahh wahhh wahhh!" bullshit. Yeah, I called it that Brainy - BS. By the numbers, Obama's been the toughest president on illegal immigration of any of them. You are taking a very specific stance and trying to warp and twist what is happening into something entirely different.

Guess what? If you give ICE an unlimited budget, sure. They can deport all of the illegal immigrants in the US. That's not a problem. But they don't have an unlimited budget, and Obama directed them to employ prosecutorial discretion and focus on the criminals and the threats to the US before non-criminals.

:rofl: No, that's like saying you can't say Obama isn't tough on illegal immigration when he has set record numbers enforcing immigration laws. By the numbers, using statistics and actual facts instead of partisan BS, Obama is the toughest president we have on record against illegal immigration.

:bowrofl: :bowrofl: :bowrofl: I know, I know Brainy. When the hard facts aren't on your side, they are partisan and/or leftist. Here's one for you, let's try Snopes.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/dreamact.asp

I mean, Snopes is leftist and partisan too, amirite?

I find this particularly hilarious because I specifically remembering you linking a crazily biased and partisan piece, and when I called you on it, you went around crying about "But they are HARD FACTS!!!" What happened to your stance on hard facts, boo? Or do you only get to play that card when it supports your positions, and not when it doesn't support it?

i started responding to you point by point, then realized that i can't argue with stupid.


but i will say this: you have yet to make one valid point.

bro he's a nerd wtf you expect? he's gonna draw some chinese cartoon and tell you it's metaphoric for the plight of the average America.

homeboy don't know ---- about the real world.

no, hell change the topic completely, says retarded things, link a bunch of articles that have nothing to do with what we are talking about, call us all hypocrites, never respond directly to anything specific we say about the issue, then laugh as he still claims to be a non-partisan libertarain and thinks he's better than us all.

i always want to argue with him, but all i can read is "herp derp," anytime I see his posts.

he has student loan debt, leave him alone

no no no he doesn't have student loan debt, he's "tough on liquidity."

cash broke, asset rich

and gay

OMFG! mt.nt has 26,367 members, that's more that when Rick was owner. IB is definetly the best at membership.

props!

btw we should open up registration to everyone, even those who can't complete a simple test to verify they have a pulse

and despite all the bannings ive been handing out...and all the times I've sued the mods for trying to ban people on their own.

Oh, really now?

Let's take a look at what you've posted.

So, how is deporting record numbers not relevant to this? I mean, one would logically assume deporting record numbers of felons and gang members from our borders would be, by definition, "working to secure our border". Or are you trying to say you have some other definition of "securing our border" Brainy?

And let's take a look at this,

So, in essence, if I understand what you are saying correctly, you would prefer that a non-felon, non-violent, non-criminal record illegal immigrant be deported at either the same priority, or a higher priority than a convicted murderer illegal immigrant?

This is what you are getting your panties in a bunch about. And what my previous two posts called you out on.

Obama directs ICE to deport convicted murderers, rapists, gang members, etc. with a higher priority - and you say..

Or is this not being specific enough for you?

Oh, and lets take a look at what the actual executive order states. Check my previous posts for links detailing it.

Illegal immigrants who meet a great deal of conditions detailed in said links in previous post can apply for a deferment of prosecution. This, first off, saves ICE a great deal of money. The illegal immigrants are giving ICE information that normally costs ICE a great deal of money to acquire. Secondly, if they violate any of the conditions, deportation proceedings are begun against them - all at a much cheaper cost to ICE, while allowing ICE to focus on much higher priorities, i.e. murderers and rapists.

And I'll eagerly await your "WAHHHHH! But you're doing ALL THIS and you are SO MEAN to me about it!" response while you are (ironically) completely avoiding responding to me while simultaneously trying to make fun of me about supposedly not responding to you.

qft!

you only quoted 1 thing i actually said.

And the rest were quotes central to your argument, all of which you quoted to try to argue against "shills".

If I quote Krugman in an economic argument, you'd tear me apart for quoting Krugman because I am supporting him by quoting him. You have done this in the past even, Brainy.

Why does the standard you try to apply to me not apply to you?

cause im the admin.

I have to back blaen on this one. His argument style leaves something to be desired, but it's not like Braineack's "anything you say that might be construed as supporting Obama, regardless of its merit, is wrong" mentality exactly makes for fruitful discussion.

Obama is basically directing the prosecutorial arm to focus on criminal (other than immigration-related) and willful illegal immigrants. If a parent brings in a 5-year old and that kid grows up in the US and is otherwise a productive member of society, this executive order basically allows them to apply for a renewable two-year deferral.

I've got a buddy who went to engineering school in the US, worked for IBM on temp visas, but who couldn't get renewed. He has taken his education back to India and will improve their economy instead of ours. There are a few US natives on this board I would gladly trade to have him back.

:)

it had more to do with saying obama is "tough" on immigration because more deportations happened to happen during his presidency. He won't take credit for the economy, but immigration numbers, oh well sure whatever all is fair! hit a sour note that blaen loves to do.

and hell, lets ignore him suing FL and AZ for trying to just identify illegals or remove them from ballots.

and I'm not even against immigration, I wont real reform, but I don't want illegals, and i dont wan't freeloaders, and i wan't everyone to enjoy the wonders of our free nation - legally.

This matter can be simply labeled as a publicity stunt. It is very easy for those that are looking to gain from this act to overlook the manner in which the act itself it brought forward. Most immigrants see it a benevolent act, and will focus more on the conservative/republican's response in opposition that will rise therein.

I can already see, by all the hype in the news, how this is going to be turn into "good ol' bama vs. evil republicans" argument. Even though this act will never see the light of day it will serve as a great boost to Obama's run for re-election. Most ignore and fail to see that throughout his term the president did not take a solid position on the matters that now is gun-ho for i.e. illegal immigrants, gay marriage.

Increasing the surplus of unskilled workers will only damage the economy. The argument towards "they'll pay taxes now" in not a strong one. Although there are hard working individual that seek success, there those that seek to parasite the system.

or a violation of his oath to office?

That too as it fundamentally breaks one of the main immigration laws.

They correctly attributed the bank bailout to bush not the stimulus bill.

Factcheck is only partisan in the eyes of the lunitic fringe.

Bob

its owned by the Anneberg Foundation.


IB4 Walter Anneberg loved reagan blah blah blah.

Interesting He was closely associated with Nixon (US ambassador to the UK) and Reagan. He has used false reporting in newspapers he owned to sink candidacies of democratic candidates in the past.

Now you’re telling me because of this connection Factcheck is somehow a Liberal partisan web site.

Bob

I have some sympathy for these younger generation immigrants. My nephew is marrying a girl who was brought to the US from Mexico as a 6 year old. She has gone completely through our education system and is in college. She was denied an internship due to her immigration status however. She really doesn’t have much of any ties to Mexico. Deportation just seems morally wrong.

I think Obamas record shows him to have the best record on Immigration and securing borders as compared to all the prior presidents of my lifetime. Regan and Bush^2 were the worst they really didn’t want to stop it on the fundamental grounds that they considerd it free market and cheap unregulated labor for the “Job Creator” farming, yardcare, housekeeping, and construction industries.

Bob

If I may...

1) I don't consider deporting illegals securing the border. To me, securing the border involves prevention of illegal immigration in the first place. If you have trespassers in your house and you kick them out but leave the door open, is your house secure? I think not.

2) I disagree in the deportation of murderers, rapists, molesters or any other violent offender. They should get their own express lane to the gas chamber.

3) One comment regarding the in-law who applied for a visa...We are not the only country who turns down visas on the basis of income. If I recall correctly, in some European countries (France to be exact) you have to have a minimum of 200k in the bank in order to be given a resident visa or enough money to support yourself without a job for one year, at which point your visa will be expired. Other options to live there are to be employed by a company that has an operation in that country who transfers you to France or to be hired by a French company.

I bet the Sinaloa cartel boss who's son was born in LA last year is really going to appreciate the Dream Act.

Is this thing still going through? or is any government body going to fight to oppose it?