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JasonC SBB 01-10-2012 11:05 AM

The Let's Fight SOPA thread
 
I've already written my Congressworm thanking her for being against SOPA.

In this thread let's post links to campaigns and petitions for lawmakers to fight it.

For those unaware, this is a BIG DEAL. It's the "Stop Internet Piracy Act". In a nutshell, if the music and movie industry gets their way, if you run a website, YOU are on the hook to police your users that they don't post "copyrighted content", and you will be legally liable if they do. This has huge ramifications for running websites.

I'll start with this link about how the big internet boys plan to fight it with "the nuclear option":
http://www.extremetech.com/computing...o-protest-sopa

(Thanks to blaen99 for bringing up the topic in another thread)

JasonC SBB 01-10-2012 11:19 AM

Here's a SOPA faq:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-57...ffect-you-faq/

Things you can do:
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/1...sopa-activists

Contact your Senaturd:
https://www.senate.gov/general/conta...nators_cfm.cfm
The Senate version of SOPA is "PIPA". It looks like the old trick of offering something extreme so people will raise an uproar then substitute something that seems to be a "compromise" so that people will accept it, but it's what they wanted in the first place.

Contact your Congressworm:
https://wfc2.wiredforchange.com/o/90...ction_KEY=8336

Check first if they are against it because a few are, by googling their name and "SOPA". If they are against it then call or email and thank them for being against this POS.

jared8783 01-14-2012 04:03 AM

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even craigslist is getting a bit active on this

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blaen99 01-14-2012 04:06 AM

Good.

Everyone should be screaming bloody murder about SOPA. Every. One.

Anyone who supported it should never be re-elected. Ever. Same for PIPA or whatever the Senate's version is.

P.S. If you have never written your congresscritters before, do it for SOPA and PIPA (Or whatever it is, protect IP act? Something like that). I've actually gone so far as to give them angry phone calls, which is kind of a really big step for me - the congresscritters will bow in a heartbeat to public pressure, but only if public pressure is applied by their constituents.

FRT_Fun 01-14-2012 09:41 AM

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...est=latestnews

This is good right? Although the whole SOPA thing looks like BS.

Braineack 01-14-2012 09:50 AM

http://biggovernment.com/files/2012/01/sopa-thumb1.png

jared8783 01-14-2012 12:29 PM

they are organizing an internet strike
a bunch of sites will be shutting down at eight am on wednesday

http://sopastrike.com/

blaen99 01-14-2012 02:52 PM

https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petition...ative-internet

That's the president's response to SOPA/PIPA/etc.

gearhead_318 01-14-2012 03:33 PM

What happened to the system of government where the people decide what they want? Law makers aren't supposed to vote for what they like, but what WE like. I think we've forgotten that.

WE do not like SOPA.

blaen99 01-14-2012 03:49 PM


Originally Posted by Gearhead_318 (Post 820265)
What happened to the system of government where the people decide what they want? Law makers aren't supposed to vote for what they like, but what WE like. I think we've forgotten that.

WE do not like SOPA.

Yes, but the people who vote for the lawmakers do like SOPA.

If the 60% who did not vote turned out in the next election to write-in Ron Paul, he'd win by a landslide. Seriously, he'd win by the biggest margin ever seen in this country.

JasonC SBB 01-14-2012 04:26 PM


Originally Posted by blaen99 (Post 820273)
Yes, but the people who vote for the lawmakers do like SOPA.

Yes and herein lies the problem with "democracy".

The general populace has a very poor understanding of liberty, property and individual rights. They vote unknowingly against their interests. The reason for this is the double whammy of gov't-controlled schooling and elite-controlled mass media from which they get their information. The elite and the gov't are of course, hand in hand.

The internet is changing all this. SOPA is a baby step towards controlling the internet....

blaen99 01-14-2012 04:27 PM


Originally Posted by JasonC SBB (Post 820286)
Yes and herein lies the problem with "democracy".

The general populace has a very poor understanding of liberty, property and individual rights. They vote unknowingly against their interests. The reason for this is the double whammy of gov't-controlled schooling and elite-controlled mass media from which they get their information. The elite and the gov't are of course, hand in hand.

The internet is changing all this. SOPA is a baby step towards controlling the internet....

I disagree. The biggest problem with "Democracy" is that we are ruled right now by a minority with a very poor understanding of liberty, property, and individual rights who vote unknowingly against their interests because the majority does not vote. Because the majority does not vote, we have more and more extremists that only get any acknowledgement because increasingly, they are the only segment that votes. When a huge amount of a voter bloc can be identified by a single issue ("Outlaw abortion!"), and it has a great deal of power in government - we got a giant damn issue with the non-voting population, because that segment should be a tiny, miniscule minority if we had a reasonable amount of voters.

I agree with your thoughts about SOPA, though, and general overall post.

messiahx 01-14-2012 05:11 PM

Well, minus a couple typos that make me look like another dumbass voter, I've done my part. You know it might be more productive for everyone posting in this thread the run a TOR node.

blaen99 01-14-2012 05:17 PM

I do run a TOR node, coincidentally, and that's a great suggestion Messiahx.

Unfortunately, however, the gov't is starting to look very unkindly at TOR of late. I am starting to worry about what they'll do in the future to it.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-57...target-on-tor/

SOPA may even go after TOR depending on interpretation.

blaen99 01-16-2012 03:44 PM

SOPA's been shelved for now! Now we must get PIPA killed!

http://www.examiner.com/computers-in...use-kills-sopa

gearhead_318 01-17-2012 02:39 AM

more info:

http://www.metalsucks.net/2012/01/16...-indefinitely/

Vashthestampede 01-17-2012 09:22 AM


Originally Posted by blaen99 (Post 821133)
SOPA's been shelved for now! Now we must get PIPA killed!

http://www.examiner.com/computers-in...use-kills-sopa

I just came across that article and was going to post it here.

Like they say, not time to celebrate yet. At least the huge online uproar is doing some good though.

JasonC SBB 01-17-2012 11:07 AM

Sometimes voters can raise enough of a stink that it scares the legislators.

Now we have to fight PIPA because the statists and lobbyists never stop.

FRT_Fun 01-17-2012 11:09 AM

Don't they still plan to do that internet black out thing?

gearhead_318 01-17-2012 02:46 PM


Originally Posted by FRT_Fun (Post 821767)
Don't they still plan to do that internet black out thing?


English Wikipedia anti-SOPA blackout

To: English Wikipedia Readers and Community
From: Sue Gardner, Wikimedia Foundation Executive Director
Date: January 16, 2012


Today, the Wikipedia community announced its decision to black out the English-language Wikipedia for 24 hours, worldwide, beginning at 05:00 UTC on Wednesday, January 18 (you can read the statement from the Wikimedia Foundation here). The blackout is a protest against proposed legislation in the United States — the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) in the U.S. House of Representatives, and the PROTECT IP Act (PIPA) in the U.S. Senate — that, if passed, would seriously damage the free and open Internet, including Wikipedia.

This will be the first time the English Wikipedia has ever staged a public protest of this nature, and it’s a decision that wasn’t lightly made. Here’s how it’s been described by the three Wikipedia administrators who formally facilitated the community’s discussion. From the public statement, signed by User:NuclearWarfare, User:Risker and User:Billinghurst:
It is the opinion of the English Wikipedia community that both of these bills, if passed, would be devastating to the free and open web.
Over the course of the past 72 hours, over 1800 Wikipedians have joined together to discuss proposed actions that the community might wish to take against SOPA and PIPA. This is by far the largest level of participation in a community discussion ever seen on Wikipedia, which illustrates the level of concern that Wikipedians feel about this proposed legislation. The overwhelming majority of participants support community action to encourage greater public action in response to these two bills. Of the proposals considered by Wikipedians, those that would result in a “blackout” of the English Wikipedia, in concert with similar blackouts on other websites opposed to SOPA and PIPA, received the strongest support.
On careful review of this discussion, the closing administrators note the broad-based support for action from Wikipedians around the world, not just from within the United States. The primary objection to a global blackout came from those who preferred that the blackout be limited to readers from the United States, with the rest of the world seeing a simple banner notice instead. We also noted that roughly 55% of those supporting a blackout preferred that it be a global one, with many pointing to concerns about similar legislation in other nations.

In making this decision, Wikipedians will be criticized for seeming to abandon neutrality to take a political position. That’s a real, legitimate issue. We want people to trust Wikipedia, not worry that it is trying to propagandize them.

But although Wikipedia’s articles are neutral, its existence is not. As Wikimedia Foundation board member Kat Walsh wrote on one of our mailing lists recently,
We depend on a legal infrastructure that makes it possible for us to operate. And we depend on a legal infrastructure that also allows other sites to host user-contributed material, both information and expression. For the most part, Wikimedia projects are organizing and summarizing and collecting the world’s knowledge. We’re putting it in context, and showing people how to make to sense of it.
But that knowledge has to be published somewhere for anyone to find and use it. Where it can be censored without due process, it hurts the speaker, the public, and Wikimedia. Where you can only speak if you have sufficient resources to fight legal challenges, or if your views are pre-approved by someone who does, the same narrow set of ideas already popular will continue to be all anyone has meaningful access to.

The decision to shut down the English Wikipedia wasn’t made by me; it was made by editors, through a consensus decision-making process. But I support it.

Like Kat and the rest of the Wikimedia Foundation Board, I have increasingly begun to think of Wikipedia’s public voice, and the goodwill people have for Wikipedia, as a resource that wants to be used for the benefit of the public. Readers trust Wikipedia because they know that despite its faults, Wikipedia’s heart is in the right place. It’s not aiming to monetize their eyeballs or make them believe some particular thing, or sell them a product. Wikipedia has no hidden agenda: it just wants to be helpful.

That’s less true of other sites. Most are commercially motivated: their purpose is to make money. That doesn’t mean they don’t have a desire to make the world a better place — many do! — but it does mean that their positions and actions need to be understood in the context of conflicting interests.

My hope is that when Wikipedia shuts down on January 18, people will understand that we’re doing it for our readers. We support everyone’s right to freedom of thought and freedom of expression. We think everyone should have access to educational material on a wide range of subjects, even if they can’t pay for it. We believe in a free and open Internet where information can be shared without impediment. We believe that new proposed laws like SOPA and PIPA, and other similar laws under discussion inside and outside the United States — don’t advance the interests of the general public. You can read a very good list of reasons to oppose SOPA and PIPA here, from the Electronic Frontier Foundation.

Why is this a global action, rather than US-only? And why now, if some American legislators appear to be in tactical retreat on SOPA?

The reality is that we don’t think SOPA is going away, and PIPA is still quite active. Moreover, SOPA and PIPA are just indicators of a much broader problem. All around the world, we're seeing the development of legislation intended to fight online piracy, and regulate the Internet in other ways, that hurt online freedoms. Our concern extends beyond SOPA and PIPA: they are just part of the problem. We want the Internet to remain free and open, everywhere, for everyone.

Make your voice heard!



On January 18, we hope you’ll agree with us, and will do what you can to make your own voice heard.

Sue Gardner,
Executive Director, Wikimedia Foundation
Wikipedia is at least, t minus >10 hours.

Joe Perez 01-18-2012 12:47 AM

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To be honest, I was a bit surprised that they actually went through with it. But it's official: Wikipedia is down.

Attachment 240118

Joe Perez 01-18-2012 12:52 AM

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Google has given the movement a hat-tip as well, in the form of a doodle:

Attachment 240117

(Redirects here: https://www.google.com/landing/takeaction/ )

blaen99 01-18-2012 12:57 AM

Reddit's also involved in the blackout.

http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000067904 video interview.

It's interesting to see the RIAA and even Rupert Murdoch's comments on this. Best quote from it..


"Why is it that when Republicans and Democrats need to solve the budget and the deficit, there's deadlock, but when Hollywood lobbyists pay them $94 million dollars to write legislation, people from both sides of the aisle line up to co-sponsor it?"

skidude 01-18-2012 09:02 AM

I wish facebook had done SOMETHING. Even just a 5-second wait before you can go anywhere would be something. Click a profile, see a SOPA message for 5-seconds before it goes there.

FRT_Fun 01-18-2012 11:36 AM

I'm kind of disappointed at the lack of other websites joining in. I mean for it to make a difference I think a LOT of sites needed to black out.

jbrown7815 01-18-2012 11:42 AM

I wish Facebook was down, people would KNOW then.

skidude 01-18-2012 12:07 PM

If facebook OR google had participated, even partially, in the blackout, it would have made huge waves. Instead, google posted a logo, and facebook ignored it. I still think a 5-second wait with a message for clicking something would have been enough for those two sites.

Braineack 01-18-2012 01:04 PM

http://www.miataforumz.com/attachmen...ine=1326905612

gearhead_318 01-18-2012 01:27 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 822501)
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As an admin, you should send out a sight wide PM with a link to SOPAstrike.com/strike/ so they can write there congressmen.

http://sopastrike.com/strike/

Braineack 01-18-2012 02:03 PM

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2012/01/18...-internet-law/


Rubio Withdraws Support For Controversial Internet Law

JasonC SBB 01-18-2012 03:59 PM

Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikiped...ive/Learn_more

and Google
https://www.google.com/landing/takeaction/

FRT_Fun 01-18-2012 04:12 PM

Me no impress. You can still go on wiki, just cancel the loading before it redirects. It's pretty obvious they did it this way so people could still use it.

TurboTim 01-18-2012 04:39 PM

I've just been using google cached versions of wiki stuff I look up when bored.

jared8783 01-18-2012 05:49 PM

this site did nothing to raise sopa/pipa awareness?
disappointed i am
:facepalm:

blaen99 01-18-2012 05:50 PM


Originally Posted by jared8783 (Post 822710)
this site did nothing to raise sopa/pipa awareness?
disappointed i am
:facepalm:

Dude, it's owned by a Canadian.

jared8783 01-18-2012 05:54 PM


Originally Posted by blaen99 (Post 822711)
Dude, it's owned by a Canadian.

:bowrofl:
yeah i forgot bout that

but anyways
this legislation would clearly have worldwide effects
youtube for starters

that and the advertisement cut off for foreign sites

gearhead_318 01-18-2012 06:37 PM

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https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...1&d=1326929774

http://dash.ponychan.net/chan/files/...2632198125.gif

Stein 01-18-2012 06:52 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 822501)

I need to report this to a mod or admin. It displays a mixed animal sex act and would likely be viewed as not meeting google and therefore Miataturbo.net standards. It should be removed from this website immediately.

Just trying to do my part to keep MT PG13.

gearhead_318 01-18-2012 06:55 PM


Originally Posted by Stein (Post 822764)
Just trying to do my part to keep MT PG13 PG.

ftfy

blaen99 01-18-2012 07:04 PM


Originally Posted by gearhead_318 (Post 822770)
Just trying to do my part to keep MT PG13 PG G.

ftfy

Ben 01-18-2012 07:31 PM

Ugh, I just looked up my senators' postions on PIPA. Both support, one was co-sponsor. I channeled a little of my excess rage and sent them some emails. My rep doesn't share his stance, so I sent him a casual message asking him for clarification of his view.

viperormiata 01-19-2012 02:02 AM


blaen99 01-19-2012 02:13 AM

Oddly, the video appears to go off on ACTA instead of SOPA for me, Viper, although I did only watch half.

http://www.khanacademy.org/video/sop...merican+Civics

Khan Academy's take on SOPA/PIPA, it's very informative.

blaen99 01-19-2012 02:14 AM

GFG DP, ew.

viperormiata 01-19-2012 02:28 AM


Originally Posted by blaen99 (Post 822964)
Oddly, the video appears to go off on ACTA instead of SOPA for me, Viper, although I did only watch half.

http://www.khanacademy.org/video/sop...merican+Civics

Khan Academy's take on SOPA/PIPA, it's very informative.

It's a comparison. Watch the whole thing.

JasonC SBB 01-19-2012 02:38 AM

Both piece of ---- ----- ---- bitch CA senaturds are not only supporters of PIPA, but are co-sponsors and have received lobbyist money for it.

http://sopatrack.com/congressperson/...-barbara-boxer
http://sopatrack.com/congressperson/...anne-feinstein

jared8783 01-19-2012 04:13 AM

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...51097946_n.jpg

Braineack 01-19-2012 11:40 AM


Originally Posted by Head of Motion Picture Association of America
“Only days after the White House and chief sponsors of the legislation responded to the major concern expressed by opponents and then called for all parties to work cooperatively together, some technology business interests are resorting to stunts that punish their users or turn them into their corporate pawns, rather than coming to the table to find solutions to a problem that all now seem to agree is very real and damaging.

It is an irresponsible response and a disservice to people who rely on them for information and use their services. It is also an abuse of power given the freedoms these companies enjoy in the marketplace today. It’s a dangerous and troubling development when the platforms that serve as gateways to information intentionally skew the facts to incite their users in order to further their corporate interests.

A so-called “blackout” is yet another gimmick, albeit a dangerous one, designed to punish elected and administration officials who are working diligently to protect American jobs from foreign criminals. It is our hope that the White House and the Congress will call on those who intend to stage this “blackout” to stop the hyperbole and PR stunts and engage in meaningful efforts to combat piracy.”

Yep, from Senator Chris Dodd himself. Nice to see he doesn't need to be in office to continue to ruin america!

freedom [given] is an abuse of power.

icantthink4155 01-19-2012 09:30 PM

http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/lamar...pyright-whoops

Edit: seeing that I was censored, I thought Id go back and do alittle more cursing.

The stupid ------- ------- ---- sucking piece of ---- that wrote the SOPA, is illegally using images on his website.

blaen99 01-20-2012 04:08 AM

http://rys.io/en/59

And now that SOPA has been wtfpwnt, ACTA has started to rear it's ugly head again.

skidude 01-20-2012 06:37 AM


Originally Posted by blaen99 (Post 823583)
http://rys.io/en/59

And now that SOPA has been wtfpwnt, ACTA has started to rear it's ugly head again.

What is ACTA? Is it what they are going to try to push through as a "compromise"?

blaen99 01-20-2012 07:08 AM


Originally Posted by skidude (Post 823599)
What is ACTA? Is it what they are going to try to push through as a "compromise"?

Check Viper's video for detail. It's basically SOPA-as-a-treaty instead of an act of legislation.

Braineack 01-20-2012 09:22 AM

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology...acy-indictment

http://gizmodo.com/5877679/anonymous...revenge-strike

http://jalopnik.com/5877749/megauplo...license-plates

gearhead_318 01-26-2012 03:35 PM

An email I received:



Dear Charlie,



Thank you for contacting me to express your views about the Preventing Real Online Threats to Economic Creativity and Theft of Intellectual Property Act (S. 968, PROTECT IP Act) and its corresponding legislation in the House, the Stop Online Piracy Act (H.R. 3261, SOPA). I oppose these bills because I believe they go too far in an attempt to stop piracy and counterfeiting.



As you may know, S.968 was introduced in the Senate on May 12, 2012, and referred to the Judiciary Committee, of which I am not a member, where it subsequently passed by a unanimous vote. Similar legislation called SOPA was also introduced in the House of Representatives on October 26, 2011.



The PROTECT IP Act would enable the U.S. Attorney General to seek an injunction from a federal court against a domain name used by a foreign website that engages in, enables, or facilitates infringement. These court orders could then be served on U.S.-based domain name servers, Internet advertisers, search engines, and financial transaction providers, which would then be forced to take necessary administrative action to prevent further infringing activity.



I believe intellectual property must be protected to spur innovation and foster economic growth. A recent study found that copyright piracy and counterfeit goods cost American businesses billions of dollars per year and result in thousands of jobs lost each year. I understand the need to address this issue. However, I oppose the PROTECT IP Act and SOPA as currently drafted. Specifically, I have concerns about freedom of speech and expression, as well as technical changes that the legislation would make to the security and functionality of the Internet's Domain Name System.



A free Internet plays an important role in driving innovation and growth in our economy. I believe that anytime the government expands its influence in new areas, we should seriously consider whether that expansion is proper.



Given my strong concerns with this bill and the fact that it passed through the Judiciary Committee without substantive debate, I am pleased that a vote by the full Senate has been postponed until these major concerns are addressed. I will certainly keep your views in mind should legislation impacting Internet freedom come before the full Senate for a vote.



Thank you for taking the time to contact my office. For more information, I encourage you to visit my website at www.portman.senate.gov. Please keep in touch.



Sincerely,


Rob Portman
U.S. Senator

JasonC SBB 01-26-2012 03:42 PM

Was he always against it or did he change his position with the political winds?

Ben 01-26-2012 03:44 PM


Originally Posted by Gearhead_318 (Post 826801)
An email I received:

I received the exact same email from my senator. Word for word identical, with a different signature.

blaen99 01-26-2012 03:50 PM


Originally Posted by Ben (Post 826814)
I received the exact same email from my senator. Word for word identical, with a different signature.

My senators won't even respond to me in email anymore. :(

Massive collective ass-covering is going on.

gearhead_318 01-26-2012 04:02 PM


Originally Posted by JasonC SBB (Post 826807)
Was he always against it or did he change his position with the political winds?

I honestly don't for sure know off the top of my head, lemmy check.


Originally Posted by Ben (Post 826814)
I received the exact same email from my senator. Word for word identical, with a different signature.

That's whats wrong with America. The guy can't even have his secretary draft up a quick letter?


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