First off I wouldn't be arrested, I'd shoot my way out of the situation. Otherwise why bother to bring the gun into the Country in the first place.

I was traveling from Singapore to Malaysia a number of years ago. Were were traveling by train and had to pass through customs/security at the terminal. In front of us were a couple who looked to be in their 20's that looked to have traveled a fair amount (backpacks with various flags on it). They got hauled away for additional screening/interrogation, resulting in a missed train. Do you have any idea why? They had an Israel stamp in their passports. Until I learned about this and witnessed it myself I would have never guessed in a million years that this would take place in Malaysia. Traveler beware indeed, and your point is taken. We should educate ourselves certainly.

Having said that, if I hadn't heard about the full body scanners and the new gate rape via the media I wouldn't have had a clue about it. I traveled to New York last June and never though to check out what the TSA security procedures were like. In my ignorance (having traveled to the US many times) I could have been subject to a piss test and a body cavity search because I might be smuggling pot and gay marriage into the country. I like a lot of people make assumptions based on previous experience.

Tell me this, since you have just recently traveled abroad and knowing your keen attention to detail did you know exactly what the experience/process was going to be at every country you passed through? Honestly?

My bigger concern these days is having my laptop/iphone/ipad confiscated and searched at security checkpoints. And what are the implications when I'm asked for my password and refuse?

I loath my next trip into the US because of this. Thank Zeus's butthole I can fly direct to Mexico.

Perhaps "collective" was not a good word to use. The sentiment I wished to convey was that of any individual member of the class "American," whether a talking head on Fox News, a liberal blogger, or just average Joe-six-pack.

Generally, whenever any random American starts waving the Bill of Rights around using it to defend or attack some particular point of view, it's almost always either the First, Second, or Fourth amendments, and it's almost always the same couple of lines of rhetoric. It's always "gubment can't take away mah guns" or "da man can't silence us no more" or some other such repetitive drivel taken straight from the lips of whichever celebrity happens to be lending their name and image to the movement in question.


Nobody pays attention to the really important ones. Seriously, show of hands- without looking it up, can anybody here tell me anything about the 9'th and 10'th Amendments? Anything at all?


For the outbound leg, yes, I did some research. In particular, I was concerned by the fact that we had a fairly tight connection at CDG for the DUS leg and that we'd be passing through passport control and security in order to get from one flight to another, so I went to the De Gaulle airport website and got quite a lot of useful information there under Procedures & Practical Information, and also used a very handy sort of trip planner they offer to print out detailed instructions on precisely how to get from my inbound gate at terminal 2E (international arrivals) to my departing gate at 2D. Here's a copy of those instructions, if you're curious: http://www.mediafire.com/?emvz4ma4dvm7h8p

Coming back into the US I wasn't quite as ---- as I had plenty of time, wasn't worried about a connection, and I'm already fairly familiar with the laws and customs of the US. I had my form 6059B filled out ahead of time, so the only uncertainty was passport control, and that turned out to be pretty damn easy.


For reference, airport security screening in the EU is almost identical to in the US (even for domestic flights) with the exception that removal of shoes is not mandatory. They have exactly the same rules concerning liquids, though they are, of course, described in milliliters rather than ounces.

Yes, the 9th amendment prevents gov't infringement on our rights not specifically granted. The 10th amendment grants powers to the people and state of those not specifically granted to congress.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=232457

TSA, lol.

Use dogs:

And this guy explains how crappy the "improved" security really is:

http://www.counterpunch.org/ridgeway11242010.html

I'd rather just have them touch my body.

touch my body body, oh just touch my body.


forever alone

Thanks for helping me write my paper, guys.

My thesis is "The Transportation Security Administration should not be allowed to mandate the process of full-body imaging for additional security measures in airplane travel because it infringes on the privacy of human beings, wastes time, and is ineffective for the cost."

If you want to give reason why it should not be allowed then you should look no further than the Constitution because that is the governing document that our government is supposed to adhere to.

The rest is trivial and nonsupporting to the statement of "should not be allowed".

If you wanted to claim "why it should be discontinued" then yes, that would be but a few reasons.


"ineffective for the cost" just made me laugh. 1. it's a government program, so of course it will be ineffective. 2. it's a government program of course it will cost a lot.

Well gee... I'm just trying to get a good grade so I can get a degree so I can get a good job so I can make money so I can support a family. :(

I removed "be allowed to"

Miss January in the TSA Calendar

ftfy

yes you did.

Not all of my money goes to the government... :(

my wife just flew out of reagan, no scanners...they were there, just not in operation.

Didn't have 'em at all at RSW last week when I flew out.

Good Link on a civil discussion about the actual costs and safety measures provided by the new scanner.

Newark didn't have anything up and running this week either. No patdowns were observed for that matter. Of course, the airtrain was down, along with the escalators, elevators and all of the electric sliding doors as well. Don't know if that had anything to do with it, but it sure did hose up transport between terminals.

TSA: We'll touch your balls, but ignore your gun!

I am flying out of BWI next Tuesday to Laguardia and then down to Charleston. I am planning on getting pat down instead of the scanners. I am thinking I tell them I am gay and to please rub it a few extra times.