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Old 06-20-2007, 01:07 PM   #1
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Default Bigger turbo on FM mani...what will fit?

I have the gt2560 right now @ 12 psi. If I increase the boost anymore the turbo starts to loose it's efficiency and blows more hot air( car starts pinging and etc.). I was considering getting a larger turbo. Does anyone know which turbos will mount right up to my manifold?

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Really? I think the gt2560 is good for more than 12psi. I'd first look into your tune and intercooler setup before getting a larger turbo.
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Old 06-20-2007, 01:39 PM   #3
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Really? I think the gt2560 is good for more than 12psi. I'd first look into your tune and intercooler setup before getting a larger turbo.
I know people take em up higher than that 12-17 psi, but when we were tuning my car when we took it up to 14 psi it would start pinging alot and overheating. Right now my tune is awesome. Car runs extremely well( haven' seen it knock once in the last 2 months). I was considering going up to like 14-15psi with WI. I just got my new radiator in, which is helping keep my engine temps down. I think actually with my new radiator I will try to run 14 psi and see how it runs. I just was trying to see what compressors would match up to the mani. Eventually I want to get up to around 300 whp( I know there are alot more supporting mods to DD that much power). I don't think I would try to get 300 whp out of a 2560 cause the tune and setup would have to be almost perfect. Be easier on a bigger compressor and if I am going to shoot for that power level then instead of spending money on WI and spending time tuning the car more, when in the futue I will get a bigger turbo anyways, I'll just save the money for the bigger turbo.
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It's about mass air flow AND boost/pressure differential, not just boost.

That is to say, a 2560 pushing 12 PSI of boost on a 2.5L engine is flowing a lot more air than one that is pushing 12 PSI of boost on a 1.8L engine.

The 2560 has been taken up to ~275-300rwhp, on a good day, on the Miata, so if you're not at that point, I think it'd be a waste of time going for a larger turbo.
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Old 06-20-2007, 01:52 PM   #5
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I;m not sure if you have looked at the compressor map on turbobygarrett.com but the turbo should be plenty efficient to 18psi and could be pushed past 20psi pretty easily to squeeze out more power. If you don't have a built motor on the other hand, then you will need a bigger turbo to make more power at the same boost.
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Old 06-20-2007, 01:55 PM   #6
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You want the T25 housing version of the GT3071R.

http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbob...30/GT3071R.htm


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Right. And there's a bunch of turbos from that GT3071R to the GT2554R that will bolt up to the T2 style FM manifold. If you want to keep the downpipe too, that limits the selection to some GT25/GT28 turbos.
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How would yall suggest getting some more power out? Upping the boost with a good tune and possibly getting D/O WI to keep the knocking down. For my exhaust right now I am running a test pipe and a 2.25 midpipe with alittle turndown. I'm going to be getting a custom exhaust soon though. High flow cat and 3" pipe all the way back ( no muffler)
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do you have any datalogs of power runs (like the one from your dyno sheet/pull)?
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do you have any datalogs of power runs (like the one from your dyno sheet/pull)?
Ya I have it, and I've been meaning to get it and scan it in at work (and scan in my dyno) but haven't gotten around to it. I'll try to scan it in the next few days.
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If you went with a full 3" exhaust I would not be suprised to see, at least, 20whp more on a dyno.
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If you went with a full 3" exhaust I would not be suprised to see, at least, 20whp more on a dyno.
really? My exhaust is pretty free flowing right now. I thought I would get around 6-10 whp gain. If I got between 15-20 that would be awesome.
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With a 2.25 midpipe thats a major restriction...I'd try a 3" exhaust before dumping money into a new turbo, might save a bit of money.
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If you went with a full 3" exhaust I would not be suprised to see, at least, 20whp more on a dyno.
That's what I got.
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That's what I got.
wow, I'm going to do that as soon as I can get the money. It was on my list mods to do, but it wasn't as big of a priority for me.
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i wanted to change my too
FM said 3071R will bolt on, just the pipe that goes out the turbo need to be bigger, which is easy todo.
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With a 2.25 midpipe thats a major restriction...I'd try a 3" exhaust before dumping money into a new turbo, might save a bit of money.
Funny I wonder how I ever made 300 RWHP with a FM Mid-pipe at 2.5"?

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No one is saying it can't be done, we are saying he'll make more power with a 3". We are giving him options he might want to try before laying down for a $1000+ turbo.
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I'd go for the turbo anyway. Agreed that a better exhaust always will make more power, but my experience was a minimal increase from a 2.5" full exhaust -> 3" dump pipe on my 2560 even with unlimited dyno time at 12 PSI and under.

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I'd go for the turbo anyway. Agreed that a better exhaust always will make more power, but my experience was a minimal increase from a 2.5" full exhaust -> 3" dump pipe on my 2560 even with unlimited dyno time at 12 PSI and under.

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Yeah but the increase from 2.25 -> 2.5 will be more than that from 2.5 -> 3.0. That's where you'll reach diminishing returns on the bigger pipe.

A bigger turbo into the same restrictive exhaust he's running is an assbackwards way to do it. Upgrading the exhaust now will make him good to go when he does go to a bigger turbo.

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