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_spyder 03-09-2011 06:31 PM

Catch can or not?
 
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Right now my breather hose is routed directly back into my intake as pictured:
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I just bought the car before winter and haven't had the time to touch anything under the hood yet, but should I get a catch can?

I don't really know the pros/cons, but if it is something that should be done, I'd like to do it. And if I should do it, where can I get a catch can?

I'm hoping to recirculate my BOV soon, but other than that, anything else you guys would recommend from what you see here? A Megasquirt will happen down the line.

SKAR 03-09-2011 06:57 PM

Only thing I would suggest is a hood prop rod...

_spyder 03-09-2011 07:14 PM

I just picked up a hood lift kit, now I just gotta install it. Thanks tho.

Lokiel 03-09-2011 07:42 PM


Originally Posted by SKAR (Post 699542)
Only thing I would suggest is a hood prop rod...

Nah, keep the one you got, it'll come in handy when you need to beat the living shit out of something/someone - can't do that with a hood prop rod.

_spyder 03-09-2011 07:51 PM


Originally Posted by Lokiel (Post 699551)
Nah, keep the one you got, it'll come in handy when you need to beat the living shit out of something/someone - can't do that with a hood prop rod.

The guy that sold it to me actually used that logic :giggle:

rider384 03-09-2011 08:13 PM

FWIW, my hood prop is an axe...

Techsalvager 03-09-2011 08:30 PM

crankcase hooked up to exhaust with catch can

Faeflora 03-09-2011 08:36 PM

Badass heatshield.

Hideous vacuum lines.

Yes use a catch can- even at low boost I was getting shitloads of oil in the intake.

astroboy 03-09-2011 09:41 PM

Your going to be sucking oil through your turbo, blowing it through your intercooler, and may even be getting it into your im. Get a catch can and hook it up to that spot and to an adapter in the pcv bung to delete the pcv. If you want to draw vac use the slash cut tube like techsalvager or faeflora is rocking

dustinb 03-09-2011 10:39 PM

Honestly I just vent mine to atmosphere. No catch can, works great.

Gotpsi? 03-09-2011 10:43 PM

I tested the slash cut at the track and I pulled vac on a gauge, check the thread, I also didn't loose any oil that day.

Faeflora 03-09-2011 10:45 PM


Originally Posted by Gotpsi? (Post 699601)
I tested the slash cut at the track and I pulled vac on a gauge, check the thread, I also didn't loose any oil that day.

You kept the baffles and enlarged the "tiny hole" right?

Gotpsi? 03-09-2011 10:47 PM

I kept the baffles but didnt bother with the hole, the pcv hole is big enough and not restricted in the valve cover like the other side. If I bother to mod the valve cover I will do what Sav said and just make new holes all together on the top so that it is less likely to pick up oil. However since I didn't loose any oil and so far seem to solve my other positive crack case pressure problems I don't see a need to.

hustler 03-09-2011 10:57 PM

On a track car, yes. For the street it probably won't matter aside from detonation.

_spyder 03-10-2011 12:20 AM


Originally Posted by Faeflora (Post 699561)
Badass heatshield.

Hideous vacuum lines.

Yes use a catch can- even at low boost I was getting shitloads of oil in the intake.

Thanks on the heatshield, but it's currently off because it was rattling and I'd like to come up with something else.

And yes, I know about those hideous lines, I'd like to replace em. Where can I get black ones?

On the catch can, how do I even go about installing one?


Originally Posted by astroboy (Post 699578)
Your going to be sucking oil through your turbo, blowing it through your intercooler, and may even be getting it into your im. Get a catch can and hook it up to that spot and to an adapter in the pcv bung to delete the pcv. If you want to draw vac use the slash cut tube like techsalvager or faeflora is rocking

I thought that if I were to get a catch can, all I would have to do is unhook the hose from where it currently is, plug the hole and connect it to something that would hold the oil, and then empty it out every so often. What is this talk about PCV, etc? Maybe this isn't as easy as I thought it was... explain?


Originally Posted by dustinb (Post 699598)
Honestly I just vent mine to atmosphere. No catch can, works great.

So, could I unhook the hose from the crankcase and then just secure it somewhere letting it leak into the atmosphere? I don't know what this talk about PCV is, etc. I don't know if it's this easy.


Originally Posted by hustler (Post 699618)
On a track car, yes. For the street it probably won't matter aside from detonation.

It's my DD when the weather is nice, and I do plan on tracking it atleast at a few events this year. I run ~10 psi on the turbo and would like to do it if it would make things a little safer.

longuyen88 03-10-2011 12:43 AM

Can people post links to catch cans that they're using? I am a little iffy on ebay ones but if they work I wouldn't mind getting one!

Lokiel 03-10-2011 06:53 AM

Track Dog Racing oil catch can:
http://www.gomiata.com/mxmitrdograo1.html

Faeflora 03-10-2011 09:29 AM

Buy replacement vacuum lines from https://www.siliconeintakes.com/

Do this. Get a VTA catch can like that TDR one or anything with two bungs and a filter, drill out your pcv valve (With a drill), and route your pcv and breather to the can. That's all. I think 8mm hose will work.

_spyder 03-10-2011 03:14 PM

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Okay, be patient with me as I honestly don't really know how to do this.

Would a catch can like this work?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/HIGH-...item4aa95f8288

Now how do I go about hooking this up?
From my understanding there is one location on the exhaust side of the valve cover, one location on the intake side of the valve cover, and then one more location on the intake manifold. Do I put a small air filter on the exhaust side location as well as the one on the intake manifold? Then do I take the hose and connect it from the intake side of the valve cover to the inlet on the catch can? Then can I put a little filter on the outlet of the catch can?

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Here is a pic I grabbed online, I circled in red what I need to do with the one spot (putting a filter on it). But what do I do with the two spots I circled in yellow? And then what do I do with the two outlets on the catch can?

Sorry for the noobish question, I appreciate the help.

Gotpsi? 03-10-2011 03:21 PM

The ebay one should work, there are a few ways to hook up a catch can, run the exhaust side to the can and the intake side to the can and cap off the port on the intake.

Techsalvager 03-10-2011 03:28 PM


Originally Posted by Gotpsi? (Post 699845)
The ebay one should work, there are a few ways to hook up a catch can, run the exhaust side to the can and the intake side to the can and cap off the port on the intake.

Just make sure its either venting to air, or pressure in crankcase is escaping somehow.

_spyder 03-10-2011 03:47 PM


Originally Posted by Techsalvager (Post 699847)
Just make sure its either venting to air, or pressure in crankcase is escaping somehow.

So if I were to run both the intake/exhaust sides on the valve cover to the catch can, I'd need to get one with one of those filters on top?

Techsalvager 03-10-2011 03:53 PM


Originally Posted by _spyder (Post 699861)
So if I were to run both the intake/exhaust sides on the valve cover to the catch can, I'd need to get one with one of those filters on top?

Or you can drill and tap a hole to fit a fitting.

Either way if you hook up both sides into the same oil catch can, you can route it back to the intake or vent to air or hook it up to the exhaust correctly.

Basically you need to allow the crankcase pressure buildup to escape.

_spyder 03-10-2011 04:19 PM


Originally Posted by Techsalvager (Post 699863)
Or you can drill and tap a hole to fit a fitting.

Either way if you hook up both sides into the same oil catch can, you can route it back to the intake or vent to air or hook it up to the exhaust correctly.

Basically you need to allow the crankcase pressure buildup to escape.

Ok, that's understandable. Thank you.

So, would this work? Hook up an air filter to the exhaust side, plug the intake. Then run a hose from the intake side to the catch can inlet and put a filter on the catch can outlet.

Right now I'm planning on buying one of those eBay catch cans and doing what I described about with two filters, so if that would not work I'd like to know.

Thanks for all the help so far guys, its much appreciated.

Gotpsi? 03-10-2011 04:49 PM

If you are going to do the filter on the exhaust side you dont need a catch can, if you use a catch can hook them both to it and put a filter on the top. I know its a mess in this pic but its the only on I have of my catch can. Its made from left over IC pipe. I have also replaced the drilled out pcv with a brass fitting since I need it to seal for my exhaust vacuum set up now. [IMG]http://i391.photobucket.com/albums/o...x/IMG_1790.jpg[/IMG]

hustler 03-10-2011 04:57 PM

I feel better about my "hot mess of vacuum lines and wires" behind my intake plenum now.

fooger03 03-10-2011 05:13 PM


Originally Posted by _spyder (Post 699840)
do i put a small air filter on the exhaust side location
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/b...titled-1-1.png
here is a pic i grabbed online, i circled in red what i need to do with the one spot (putting a filter on it).


Originally Posted by _spyder (Post 699869)
ok, that's understandable. Thank you.

So, would this work? Hook up an air filter to the exhaust side.

NO

Quit acting like a damned ricer.

_spyder 03-10-2011 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Gotpsi? (Post 699883)
If you are going to do the filter on the exhaust side you dont need a catch can, if you use a catch can hook them both to it and put a filter on the top. I know its a mess in this pic but its the only on I have of my catch can. Its made from left over IC pipe. I have also replaced the drilled out pcv with a brass fitting since I need it to seal for my exhaust vacuum set up now.

Thanks for the pic!

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So, the hose I outline in red, is that going over and connecting to the valve cover on the exhaust side?

If so, then I can just connect both sides of the valve cover to the catch can, then drill/weld a fitting on of the catch can and put a filter on it and plug off the thing on the intake manifold. If that would work, that's probably what I'll end up doing.


Originally Posted by fooger03 (Post 699892)
NO

Quit acting like a damned ricer.

Not trying to act like a damn ricer, just trying to figure stuff out. :noob:

Faeflora 03-11-2011 12:10 AM

What the fuck is this shit???

I fucking told you what to do.

Cap off that bigass breather port on the intake manifold plenum. RUN THE TWO VALVE COVER LINES TO A VETN TO ATMOSPHERE CAN. SUCK DICKS AND MAKE MONEY

Gotpsi? 03-11-2011 12:32 AM

your drawing on my pic is correct. And it doesn't look like that anymore, that was my test fit of my first intake mani.

_spyder 03-11-2011 11:10 PM

Alright guys I got it. I've got it all planned out, any ideas to what I should use to plug the breather port on the intake manifold plenum? I'm sure I can find something, just wondering what you guys use.

Gotpsi? 03-11-2011 11:47 PM

Just a vacuum plug, through a small hose clamp around it.


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