Was - Did I kill my starter, ...? - Now - Please help me with my timing belt...
Hi after I redid my coolant reroute and changed fluids I stated my car today. Started well, then stumbled and won't start again. The loose sensor wire of my oil temp gauge might have hit my starter.
Now the car sounds a bit strange - like a wirring sound and doesn't start. Did I kill my starter or maybe? After a while of cranking some white smoke came out of the intake... And I can smell fuel... Maybe I give the starter a small push with the car in gear or hit the starter with a hammer... I will also try to reload my firmware on the MS3 tonight and reload my MSQ. I think I might have corrupted the firmware... Any other ideas? |
Shouldn't of killed it. I grounded my socket wrench directly to the power bolt a number of times, that's always the point in engine removal that I remember to disconnect the battery.
Mine's been fine, 120,000 miles and still starting strong. |
If the car is cranking then your starter is fine. I would look elsewhere.
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I am a bit lost now here...
As I wrote above - The car started at the first try, ran for some second and now nothing. I cannot get reasonable RPM readings in TS, This is how the car sounds, when I try to start: I suspect something I can't really believe - could the cam belt be gone? I couldn't see a thing because of the covers and the darkness... Please help me out. I will try to reflash the firmware tomorrow anyway... And I will swap my DIYPNP and see if it starts... |
I fucked up your tube link, but it didn't work to begin with anyways. ----.
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Should be working now...
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Looks like no cam signal? What does the composite logger report?
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Gonna look tomorrow... After the reflash.
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If the engine is turning over really fast, it means no compression. I stongly suspect you've broken your timing belt. Pull your valve cover. It will tell the tale.
Fortunately, the Miata engine is non-interference, so this is actually not a big deal. |
No compression, no valvetrain friction. No cam-drive!
BTW, that 'white smoke' is fuel. No smoking... |
I am a non-smoker - so don't be afraid... ;)
I also suspect the cam-belt - the engine sounds so strange and turns over very easily... I am going to pull the Cam-cover this afternoon. Are there any good pictured How-to's about the cam-belt change online? I got the factory handbook but maybe there is something more pictorial out there... |
You might as well tak a peek through the oil cap.
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Originally Posted by Reverant
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You might as well tak a peek through the oil cap.
I swapped in my DIYPNP and it's also not doing anything else... Might have to swap another cam sensor in... |
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Here is a (very) short composite log:
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...1&d=1332499357 Maybe someone could have a look... |
Not enough data in there, you need to crank more. However, the crank sensor signal does appear a bit odd.
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I pulled the cam cover to have a look at the CAM belt - looks fine - though it seems to have some slack.
http://www.ingenieure-reichel.de/upl...2/mx25_001.jpg http://www.ingenieure-reichel.de/upl...2/mx25_002.jpg http://www.ingenieure-reichel.de/upl...2/mx25_003.jpg Could you have a look if the timing marks and teeth between do look correct? @Reverant - to get a longer logfile I will have to re-attach the cam cover. Will do as soon as the timing verified... I pulled a COP before I pulled the cam cover - there is no spark. The MS3 is working - verified on the bench/stim. |
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@Reverant - nd the others off course too - here is a little longer composite log...
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...1&d=1332513957 Please have a look Here is a pic of my composite log: https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...1&d=1332514800 And here a pic how the NB signals are ought to look: http://img38.imagefra.me/img/img38/7...wm_5981b1a.gif Looks like my Cam and Crank signal are out of sync??? The two following Cam signals should be inbetween two crank signals - looks like its a bit early just before the Crank signal - I am no expert on that, so please excuse my bad description... BTW - what does the red line mean? |
If both cam gears look properly aligned, then it looks like the crank pulley has jumped instead. All 4 teeth on the crank pulley should be fully contained between the 1 and 2 teeth on the cam gear. On your log, one of the crank teeth is between the two teeth of the cam gear.
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I just edited my post when you replied...
This means a complete belt job I suppose...?! |
I guess so.
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