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Der_Idiot 06-27-2011 11:01 AM

Exhaust Manifold backpressure question
 
So I was playing with the BW turbo configurator and it estimates 9psi backpressure at the turbine (with boost set to 21psi), what would be considered excessive? Obviously 0 would be best but seeing as the TS housing on the 6258 and 6758 wont be happening, this is the best that can be done. With a goal of 400-450 (leaving some play in case I can't keep up at 400), the 6758 is the ideal setup for my goal if this isn't too bad..

Here's a link to the config.

Edit- It also states that the wastegate is 'flow choked', I assume it's because it's of insufficient diameter, thus needing an EWG?

hustler 06-27-2011 11:13 AM

How can you have less pressure on the turbine side and more pressure on the compressor side? Without more pressure on the turbine side this sounds like a magical turbo.

Der_Idiot 06-27-2011 11:16 AM

9psi on the turbine side. Essentially there's pressure built up in the exhaust manifold, throttled by the turbo.

hustler 06-27-2011 11:28 AM


Originally Posted by Der_Idiot (Post 742084)
9psi on the turbine side. Essentially there's pressure built up in the exhaust manifold, throttled by the turbo.

Anyone I've ever spoken to says there's 1.5-2x more pressure on the turbine side than the compressor side because it takes equal or more energy to turn the compressor. I'm not an engineer, but I'm quite eager to read more on this.

18psi 06-27-2011 11:36 AM


Originally Posted by hustler (Post 742092)
Anyone I've ever spoken to says there's 1.5-2x more pressure on the turbine side than the compressor side because it takes equal or more energy to turn the compressor. I'm not an engineer, but I'm quite eager to read more on this.

Pretty sure that's wrong. Energy =/= pressure

Techsalvager 06-27-2011 11:45 AM


Originally Posted by hustler (Post 742092)
Anyone I've ever spoken to says there's 1.5-2x more pressure on the turbine side than the compressor side because it takes equal or more energy to turn the compressor. I'm not an engineer, but I'm quite eager to read more on this.

thats indeed wrong, and you can buy exhaust pressure sensor to go into the manifold to see if you wanted.

With audi's antilag they were pushing air though the intake into the exhaust manifold once more pressure built up in the intake compared to the exhaust manifold

Braineack 06-27-2011 11:46 AM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 742094)
Pretty sure that's wrong. Energy =/= pressure

heat energy causes increases pressure, transforms into kenetic energy.

shlammed 06-27-2011 11:52 AM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 742099)
heat energy causes increases pressure, transforms into kenetic energy.

but is there energy lost?:giggle:

crashnscar 06-27-2011 11:52 AM


Originally Posted by hustler (Post 742092)
Anyone I've ever spoken to says there's 1.5-2x more pressure on the turbine side than the compressor side because it takes equal or more energy to turn the compressor. I'm not an engineer, but I'm quite eager to read more on this.

This is not true and a huge overgeneralization as well, even if it was true. Exhaust gas pressure in the manifold is a function of many variables and will vary from being more than your intake charge pressure to less than your intake charge pressure, largely a function of engine speed and load.

Quickly looking back at some data I've collected in the past on this stuff, exhaust gas pressure varied from 1.75 to .70 of intake pressure. Lower load and low engine speed generally translated to higher exhaust/intake pressure ratio.

hustler 06-27-2011 12:12 PM


Originally Posted by crashnscar (Post 742104)
This is not true and a huge overgeneralization as well, even if it was true.

Tone down the disrespect.

Braineack 06-27-2011 12:29 PM


Originally Posted by shlammed (Post 742103)
but is there energy lost?:giggle:


of course. just sayin.


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