Originally Posted by m2cupcar
(Post 492009)
I think there's a big difference between cutting the hole in an existing casting and having the port engineered into the casting. Given the small amount of metal dividing the two ports, it will have to sustain a lot of stress from heat and load.
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Originally Posted by viperormiata
(Post 491981)
Really? My FM3 has a similar setup and it's going strong. Plus it's i'm like the 4th or 5th person to have this manifold so it has probably somewhere north 200K of miles on it.
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Stan Levine has since abandoned that design and built his own manifold to replace it.
I recommend running the internal wastegate before modifying the HKS manifold. It tends to crack in the bottom of the collector without any modification. I know, mine was welded twice and cracked again. If you want external then I highly recommend running a different manifold and selling your HKS in the usable condition it is in now. If your port your turbine housing WG port like BEGI I bet you'll be fine. |
Originally Posted by m2cupcar
(Post 492009)
I'd be tempted to find a spare turbine housing and try to mod that for an external wg port. Or find one made for the purpose.
http://www.atpturbo.com/mm5/graphics...-043_450-2.jpg |
Originally Posted by swerv_on
(Post 492313)
I know like nothing about fluid dynamics but I'd be willing to bet that because of the location of the port that it creates turbulence in the housing which would significantly affect spool...
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Originally Posted by swerv_on
(Post 492313)
I know like nothing about fluid dynamics but I'd be willing to bet that because of the location of the port that it creates turbulence in the housing which would significantly affect spool...
But unless you just want to pick the fly shit out of the pepper, its probably fine, and Im sure plenty of people have used them successfully. |
Originally Posted by swerv_on
(Post 492313)
I know like nothing about fluid dynamics but I'd be willing to bet that because of the location of the port that it creates turbulence in the housing which would significantly affect spool...
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It's almost ironic that the turbine housing with the port casted into it is in the same location that the championship winning endurance toyotas had it. And I doubt they stuck the port there because they didn't have anywhere else to put it. Gurney is not known for making compromises.
To the OP- what's the issue with the internal gate now? Why the urge for the external gate? |
I like that wastegate turbine housing, looks like one solid piece.
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^That I agree with... It may have been a way to take out a failure point as compared to adding a flange to the manifold. However, it sure does look nice... It's just that I can't get past the velocity that the incoming air would be carrying that would make it want to enter the port readily rather than pass by it and cause a slight overboost situation. Could they have installed it there to get the slight overboost situation? Essentially a 'sneaky sneaky' way to get some extra horsepower that might not make flags fly during inspection? Then all they would have to do is tune for this and done. Just a thought...
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As far as being worried about overboosting, you can just set up your boost controller to open the waste gate at a slightly lower pressure and so when you would be going to over boost you would be at your target pressure.
Having not seen the inside my concern about that housing it that there is a 90* lip that would catch some of the air and create a sort of bubble affect from turbulence generate by that amount of air hitting that angle that would alter the flow of air right at that lip forcing air to not travel correctly though the housing. (see image for possibly convoluted worry, sorry for not using cad, I don't have it on the computer) |
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The above design would be much better if you had to run a turbine housing mounted EWG...
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Finally done and works like a charm.
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Turbo no hit wastegate?
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Originally Posted by gianic
(Post 491607)
My only concern with this is the welding on the cast iron. Many welders here are trying to avoid it for some reason.
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Originally Posted by cjernigan
(Post 492285)
I recommend running the internal wastegate before modifying the HKS manifold. It tends to crack in the bottom of the collector without any modification. I know, mine was welded twice and cracked again. If you want external then I highly recommend running a different manifold and selling your HKS in the usable condition it is in now.
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Originally Posted by swerv_on
(Post 492313)
I know like nothing about fluid dynamics but I'd be willing to bet that because of the location of the port that it creates turbulence in the housing which would significantly affect spool...
Pressure differentials. A proper wastegate mounted to that location opens up a huge low pressure path of the hot exhuast gas relative to the turbine housing itself, which is inevitably a throttling device that creates high pressure. The hot exhuast gas has 0 trouble 'making the turn' because of all the forces affecting each little particle of exhuast gas, inertia is was down the list. Inertia is pretty much the only thing that makes it diffcult to for a particle to turn like that in this case because the port has plenty of volume and I assume no huge chuncks of metal in the wg passage. Basically, gas will flow right out that port in higher volumes than going through the turbo untill the pressure going out that port is equal to the back pressure of going through the turbine housing itself. This is good. You might get a bit less laminar flow through that thing, but my bet is that its pretty much unmeasureable on the dyno at any RPM in terms of boost threshold or TQ from one setup running that and another running a collector-mounted EWG. |
Originally Posted by sixshooter
(Post 525174)
Turbo no hit wastegate?
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Nice work man, I had my doubts when I started reading the thread but looks like you pulled it off. Any pictures of everything all mounted up?
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