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Old 08-25-2010, 11:17 AM   #1
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Hello guys I've ran around this forum trying to find the right information about running this kit. I just want all the information together and not be scattered brained. Some of my huge questions are is with running this kit at 5 psi do I need MSD timing retardation? What sparks do I need to run I also grabbed a wideband to make sure the fuel riser is working where I need it to. Also could someone recommend some good oil lines with a link possibly.
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I'm looking around and not just finding the answers I need can someone please chime in with a little help?
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For oil lines, contact Artech on here. Abe makes a good product.
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Thanks bud sent him a message and getting them ordered any other help with my set up though
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You read the DIY FAQ and didn't find your answers in there? SERIOUSLY?
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Finally came across the FAQ that I needed but see in the FAQ ut doesnt say if I need to retard the timing at just running 5 psi or even if I need to change up the spark plugs sorry 18PSI i thought this was a forum where fellow enthusiast come to help each other out
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Finally came across the FAQ that I needed but see in the FAQ ut doesnt say if I need to retard the timing at just running 5 psi or even if I need to change up the spark plugs sorry 18PSI i thought this was a forum where fellow enthusiast come to help each other out
As per the Greddy manual, which is found online at Greddy's website, for the Greddy kit you need to put your base timing to 6 degrees. You do not need a MSD timing retard kit, just do it manually. The stock BKR6E plugs are fine. Now if you decide to actually make some power with that kit, then everything needs to change.

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Thanks dustin so at 5 psi im good with my spark plugs? thanks for helping me with the MSD coil pack. I acquired a wideband to see if my air fuel is on tact if not I'll know I have some tuning to do
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The only reason you would want to change your plugs is because they're getting old. If you go up to higher boost I think most of us are running NGK BKR7E plugs.
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Changing your static timing is a cheap but crappy solution, since you'll lose a lot of oomph out of boost.

the real solution to all your fuel/timing needs is in engine management
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So you suggest MS PNP? with just the 5 psi?
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If you're anything like 90% of the members here, you'll get bored of 5psi in about a week.

And then you'll be happy you have engine management to support 10-15-20-etc
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i thought this was a forum where fellow enthusiast come to help each other out
Close. It's more like a fraternity, except that nobody says "bro", and the hazing ritual involves being pushed off of a 20 story building into a pit filled with HIV-infected alligators.

Assuming you survive the initiation, it's actually quite a nice place to be.



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So you suggest MS PNP? with just the 5 psi?
The Megasquirt (along with the requisite accessories- wideband AFR system, properly sized injectors, etc) is pretty much the universal solution. Well, there are actually several good ECUs on the market today (Adaptronic, AEM, Hydra, etc) however most of us are cheap bastards.

It's not that you require a MS for 5 psi of boost on a tiny little turbo, it's more that:

A: We're control freaks, and

B: As 18 said, nobody's ever satisfied with 135 HP.
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So you suggest MS PNP? with just the 5 psi?

any sort of ems is better than just changing the base timing. I use the AEM F/IC, not the favorite around here, but it definatly gets the job done, and despite what people say, if you know how the basics, or know somebody who does, and take a look at the directions, its simple. and it a few hundred bucks cheaper than the MS. i got my AEM F/IC, plug n play harness, and a AEM UEGO for about $580, the ms pnp runs $750, and having a wideband is good for tuning, so id personally suggest one.

if you only plan on running 5psi (which, im sure you will get bitten by the boost bug and raise it) then the AEM F/IC works fine, its good on the budget (which i was on a budget) i wish i could put my opinion in about MS, but i never used it, the advantage is basically, ms pnp has little perks like knock sensors, if you want it, launch control, the F/IC is basic fuel, ignition timing, and its a piggyback, not a standalone.

well, i think i just did a ms vs f/ic thing :P im not a AEM retailer i swear.

i guess my point is, you dont need MS for 5psi, the f/ic piggyback works just as good at that psi level...
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I understand that 5 psi will get boring but it's a project for a reason I can't do it all at once I have a regular 9-5 its going to take some time I'm just making sure I have my basic set up ready. I still need a diff and much more its a project for a reason it all gets bigger over time. This is my first projct im only 19 it will be a success to me.
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by the way i do have a wideband on the way i def want to make sure she is runnng perfect nothing towards the lean and nothing to the rich
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I understand that 5 psi will get boring but it's a project for a reason I can't do it all at once I have a regular 9-5 its going to take some time I'm just making sure I have my basic set up ready. I still need a diff and much more its a project for a reason it all gets bigger over time. This is my first projct im only 19 it will be a success to me.
There's a difference between taking your time and doing it right and taking your time and doing it wrong.

But it looks like you've got your mind made up.
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So you think I'm doing it wrong? I hope your wrong cause I'm having fun doing it even got my girl friend to help me start putting it together and if that makes it wrong i want to be wrong that is just as said sex on wheels
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So you think I'm doing it wrong? I hope your wrong cause I'm having fun doing it even got my girl friend to help me start putting it together and if that makes it wrong i want to be wrong that is just as said sex on wheels
well, you dont want to be cheap, but if you need to cut corners, DEFINATLY DO NOT on fuel managment, a good managment system means everything. since your using the greddy kit, it doesnt come with an intercooler (so im assuming you dont have one), so you will be running a hot charge air, and thats another reason why you would want an actual ems, you can control the fuel, and make it run a little more rich while in boost, and it will decrease the chances of knock. you should definatly just save up the extra cash and invest in a good ems, because later down in the road, im sure you will eventually want one. do some research about piggyback, and standalones, you really only need a piggyback for 5psi, but still, do more research.
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