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ak47bravo 12-11-2006 04:58 PM

How much Boost is safe on a stock engine.
 
From what I have seen and read 12 psi is completely fine on a stock engine and really if you want anymore power you have to get forged pistons and rods. Can a stock engine handle like 15 psi? If it can how well can it handle it. If you run 8 or 12 psi usually then boost up to 15 sometimes would it hurt?

F20turbo 12-11-2006 05:01 PM

I ran 18psi on my 1.6L for 2 years and 40k miles. It blew up when I spiked to 25psi...but I have no reason to not believe that it would still be alive today had that not happend. it had 110k on it when the piston just exploded and sent my #3 rod though the oil pan.

iluvtruenos 12-11-2006 05:03 PM

What about the 323 GT-X. How much boost did they come with from the factory?

F20turbo 12-11-2006 05:04 PM

323GTX had 7.9:1 pistons ( hypereutectic cast ) and beefier connecting rods ( ones I currently have in my 1.9L). the 323GTX seems to be able to handle 400whp otr 25psi whatever comes first.

ak47bravo 12-11-2006 05:47 PM

Wait Andy did you run 18 psi on stock internals?

F20turbo 12-11-2006 06:12 PM


Originally Posted by ak47bravo (Post 63787)
Wait Andy did you run 18 psi on stock internals?

yeah, for 2 years.

Al Hounos 12-11-2006 06:16 PM

wow 18psi on a stock 1.6! that's the highest I've ever heard for a car that actually had miles put on it. what turbo and how much power? what kind of engine management?

F20turbo 12-11-2006 06:23 PM


Originally Posted by Al Hounos (Post 63790)
wow 18psi on a stock 1.6! that's the highest I've ever heard for a car that actually had miles put on it. what turbo and how much power? what kind of engine management?

Combination of 2 turbos...one was a T3 S60 48/60. The other was a T04E 40 trim .48 stage 3 turbine. I ran the S60 for 1 1/2 years and the 40 trim for 6 months or so. I also ran a Greddy before that @ 15psi. Mind you I bought a lot of race gas to run these pressures...but thats when it was 3.30 at the pump. I ran 12psi 1/2 the time and 18psi the other 1/2 of the time.

This was on the same fuel setup I have now, minus the 330's...I was running 270's from a KA24DE. Engine was perfect until the day it died, still had 170-165-170-170 compression across the board ( 3 days before the engine blew ). If it wasnt for that 25psi spike in 4th gear I think that little 1.6L may still be kicking.

ak47bravo 12-11-2006 06:53 PM

So Andy you think with an Fm II turbo kit I could run 15 Psi pretty easy? On stock internals. If I did I wouldn't do it all the time. Just whenever a mustang wanted to race :cool: haha

magnamx-5 12-11-2006 07:08 PM

yeah hell he runs it with stock ecu a linked car can run 22 psi before the em runs out of head room normally past 15 psi there has been a tendecy for parts to weatr out according to FM but i dunno seems to be more of a maintenance issue.

Al Hounos 12-11-2006 07:16 PM


Originally Posted by AndyFloyd (Post 63791)
Combination of 2 turbos...one was a T3 S60 48/60. The other was a T04E 40 trim .48 stage 3 turbine. I ran the S60 for 1 1/2 years and the 40 trim for 6 months or so. I also ran a Greddy before that @ 15psi. Mind you I bought a lot of race gas to run these pressures...but thats when it was 3.30 at the pump. I ran 12psi 1/2 the time and 18psi the other 1/2 of the time.

Very interesting, and tempting. Unfortunately I will run out of injector by about 14-15psi. I'd love to pick up some 650cc's and a 3071R and some WI an see how far I could take the stock 1.6 on pump gas.

18psi, stock ecu, stock engine, 270cc injs...You don't really like to play by the rules, do you?:bowdown:

beerslurpy 12-11-2006 09:29 PM

I ran 15 psi on stock internals with no difficulty. I know I was running 18 psi for a while, but I cant remember which motor I did it on. I think it was the built motor.

SPEEDSTER44 12-11-2006 09:58 PM

you where talking about 323 gtx pistons. Then have those in my car and everything is fine with 18 psi

Markp 12-11-2006 10:24 PM


Originally Posted by ak47bravo (Post 63787)
Wait Andy did you run 18 psi on stock internals?

So did I. :D It was 18 psi on a stock 1.8 with a CA spec FM-II however and put well over 13k miles, until an overrev killed the motor. Ric Stevens was running 24 PSI on a stock 1.6 junkyard motor.

airbrush1 12-12-2006 12:55 AM

I think a lot has to do with the fueling and tuning.....

miatamad 12-12-2006 04:03 AM


Originally Posted by airbrush1 (Post 63909)
I think a lot has to do with the fueling and tuning.....

so true - many a good engine has been killed well before 18PSI with poor tuning.

airbrush1 12-12-2006 06:34 PM

..... 12psi here...... muahahaaaaahaahahaaaa Posting dyno scans in a few minutes

magnamx-5 12-12-2006 07:05 PM

where?

F20turbo 12-13-2006 10:41 AM


Originally Posted by Al Hounos (Post 63802)
Very interesting, and tempting. Unfortunately I will run out of injector by about 14-15psi. I'd love to pick up some 650cc's and a 3071R and some WI an see how far I could take the stock 1.6 on pump gas.

18psi, stock ecu, stock engine, 270cc injs...You don't really like to play by the rules, do you?:bowdown:

Rules are meant to be broken:bigtu:

magnamx-5 12-13-2006 11:13 AM

AS well as records speed limits egos etc.


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