Indicated AFRs misbehaving
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So, recently my AFRs have started behaving very sporadically, with no changes to my tune whatsoever. Before, WOT would get me mostly under 13:1, sometimes upwards around 13.2. N/A. Now, it's solid 15s/16s. It goes rich between gears and on decel (though this is probably just a lack of overrun)
Initially, since this all just suddenly started happening, I thought maybe my pre-cat (CA-spec car) had become clogged. I still think this may be a possibility, but I now have to helicoil a hole in my head due to the bolt bringing 2/3 of the threads with it, and I stopped swapping them there. I'll reapproach this idea when I have time. Tune and Log attached. Ignore the AFR target table. It has been modified, but the VE table hasn't. Haven't run VEAL or enabled EGO since. Suggestions? Wideband issue? Car is actually running at those AFRs? |
Did you calibrate your wideband recently?
Any old logs? Has your pulsewidth dropped at the lean conditions? |
Disclaimer: I've never dealt with a clogged cat first-hand.
Originally Posted by Schuyler
(Post 1181812)
Initially, since this all just suddenly started happening, I thought maybe my pre-cat (CA-spec car) had become clogged.
Having no actual experience in the matter, I would think that a plugged catalytic converter would manifest itself in the form of richer AFRs, not leaner. By restricting the exhaust flow, you're going to get less intake air for the same MAP. Less air with same amount of fuel = richer AFR. |
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Originally Posted by Joe Perez
(Post 1181817)
Disclaimer: I've never dealt with a clogged cat first-hand.
What makes you think this? Having no actual experience in the matter, I would think that a plugged catalytic converter would manifest itself in the form of richer AFRs, not leaner. By restricting the exhaust flow, you're going to get less intake air for the same MAP. Less air with same amount of fuel = richer AFR. (EDIT: just adding for anyone not familiar with the cal-spec setup. This cat is part of the header, so the wideband is POST cat (well, after the first cat, before the second))
Originally Posted by deezums
(Post 1181816)
Did you calibrate your wideband recently?
Any old logs? Has your pulsewidth dropped at the lean conditions? EDIT: the other was too big to upload here. https://www.dropbox.com/s/gtorfrt4ub...42.09.msl?dl=0 |
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Similar conditions, but a lot less PW and a lot leaner mix. Are you sure nothing changed? |
Originally Posted by deezums
(Post 1181821)
Similar conditions, but a lot less PW and a lot leaner mix. Are you sure nothing changed? AFR Targets, SD card logging disabled, Sensor checking disabled (CEL). Don't see anything that has changed since then that should effect VE. |
Originally Posted by Schuyler
(Post 1181819)
(EDIT: just adding for anyone not familiar with the cal-spec setup. This cat is part of the header, so the wideband is POST cat (well, after the first cat, before the second))
Is this even a valid configuration? Running a wideband after the pre-cat? I mean, the factory NB02 sensor is before the first cat, I can't imagine how the readings wouldn't be distorted by placing a wideband after it. [/voice of absolutely no experience whatsoever] |
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Originally Posted by Joe Perez
(Post 1181828)
Ah- I missed that part, assumed you were running the wideband before the cat.
Is this even a valid configuration? Running a wideband after the pre-cat? I mean, the factory NB02 sensor is before the first cat, I can't imagine how the readings wouldn't be distorted by placing a wideband after it. [/voice of absolutely no experience whatsoever] Attachment 234948 (Picture taken recently (in the past week)) |
Isn't 13:1 crazy dangerous to begin with?
*Edit never-mind I mis-read your sig and thought you were FI |
I suppose nothing obvious like exhaust leak around the pre-cat joints or head is likely? Can you smoke the system? Sometimes they're small enough not to be that audible but still cause weird AFRs.
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