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Newbsauce 06-04-2008 10:47 PM

search the bigger area craigslist. I've seen at least 2 complete 1.6s selling for 100 dollars. May just end up paying shipping.

Mouglie 06-05-2008 01:18 AM

i found a block for $100... my car is a 93 and i know this is known as the long nose crank...

my question is, are the blocks the same just different crank? Is there a way of telling a short nose from a long nose engine from seeing the block by itself (no crank pulley nor crank)

Vashthestampede 06-05-2008 01:52 AM


Originally Posted by Mouglie (Post 266942)
i found a block for $100... my car is a 93 and i know this is known as the long nose crank...

my question is, are the blocks the same just different crank? Is there a way of telling a short nose from a long nose engine from seeing the block by itself (no crank pulley nor crank)

I've seen a vin stamp on the intake side of my engine before, I know its there. Match that up to this;


"If your Miata is a 1990 or 1991 with VIN 209446 or less, you have a crankshaft with a smaller diameter nose."
Taken from the historic SNC page on m.net - http://www.miata.net/garage/crankshaft.html

Also, I'm 99% sure everything you got for your original 1.6 should work fine with any other 1.6, short nose crank or not. IIRC the only difference between them are specific to the crankshaft and its components. I see the ATI damper pulley for example does not work with the SNC cars. But things such as the rods, pistons, valves, should be the same.

Check the vin and ask FM. I'm sure they could clarify everything for you.

Vash-

BenR 06-05-2008 11:32 AM

The blocks are identical between the short and long nose crank. The only differences are the nose of the crank and the pullys. You should take it all to the machine shop and have them clean and polish it all up, measure everything, and tell you what bearings to use.

Make sure you are extremely careful with the bearing surfaces of the crank. Don't let anything touch or scratch it in any way.



BTW, I never got a PM?

Mouglie 09-10-2008 10:47 PM

update
 
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wow its been a while since i last updated this thread. i wanted to start a new thread so i could start fresh but lets just skip all the above and move on...lol...

here is some damage on the main cap cause by the thrust washer failure...
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i picked up a new (old) 93 1.6 block (on the left)
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took it to the machine shop and got it bored for $140
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Mouglie 09-10-2008 10:51 PM

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it still needs to be hot tanked and what not, meanwhile i ported the cylinder head on the intake side...
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and the exhaust side...
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and smoothed out some edges...
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Mouglie 09-10-2008 10:55 PM

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and this picture is to show the imperfections of the head that i had to shave of.
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the90iestredmiata 09-10-2008 11:10 PM

i wish i had time to do this. nice.

KPLAFIN 09-10-2008 11:14 PM

Just get yourself some headgasket repair in a bottle and throw it in your oil and you'll have all the time you ever need :bigtu:


Sorry Mouglie...had to be said.

Mouglie 09-11-2008 08:15 PM

lol... i got some left over if anyone needs some...

KPLAFIN 09-11-2008 08:17 PM


Originally Posted by Mouglie (Post 307138)
lol... i got some left over if anyone needs some...

HA, atleast you're a good sport about it.

Mouglie 09-11-2008 08:52 PM

a bought some dremmel tips, a burr(sp?).. looks like a drill bit but has alot of fine lines...
i'll try this tip tonight to bore the intake side of the cylinder head...

Mouglie 09-11-2008 08:57 PM

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a little side by side comparison,
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Mouglie 09-11-2008 09:57 PM

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more work....
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willo 09-11-2008 10:13 PM

Don't give up - or listen to the jerks.
 
You should be able to find a short block for a reasonable amount of money.
try searching on car-parts.com to find parts recyclers near you.

I'm taking a 9 hour round trip drive to pick up some seats and my 1.8. Don't be afraid to go for a drive to get your block.

That said, building a motor starts with the machinist and ends with you.
1) Have the machine shop do the head work. It'll save you some major pain.
2)Buy a quality torque wrench. I'm fond of the clicker style these days.
3)Buy a good engine build manual - or buy two and compare the specs! Sometimes they contain omissions or errors.
4)Read through the build process and picture the whole thing in your head before you try.
5)Take your time building it. Don't build it when you're tired!

Good luck!

I'm not impressed by the jerks on the board who waste posts belittling people. It looks like you'll have a pretty impressive dash if you're any good at finishing fiberglass work!

One other thing: You should probably find yourself a decent 1.6 long block and drop it in there to run while you build the new engine up! That way you'll keep from rushing the new engine and if you screw up your turbo install, you'll only risk an old engine.

KPLAFIN 09-11-2008 10:16 PM

Oh yea, i forgot about your mega-transformers dashboard, how's that coming along?

Mouglie 09-11-2008 10:57 PM


Originally Posted by willo (Post 307177)
You should be able to find a short block for a reasonable amount of money.

Thanks, i found one a couple weeks back, had to drive 6hrs roundtrip for it...


Originally Posted by willo (Post 307177)
That said, building a motor starts with the machinist and ends with you.
1) Have the machine shop do the head work. It'll save you some major pain.
2)Buy a quality torque wrench. I'm fond of the clicker style these days.
3)Buy a good engine build manual - or buy two and compare the specs! Sometimes they contain omissions or errors.
4)Read through the build process and picture the whole thing in your head before you try.
5)Take your time building it. Don't build it when you're tired!

Good luck!

the machine shop has already bored the block and ported the valve seats for my FM valves... the block should be assembled by saturday. I'm porting and polishing my cylinder head to save me the money, once i finish, the machine shop will install the valves, springs, lifters, all the good stuff. Wednesday i pick up the engine... all i need to do is swap the oil pan for the one that i tapped already, valve cover, alternator... intake manifold, etc...

Originally Posted by willo (Post 307177)
I'm not impressed by the jerks on the board who waste posts belittling people. It looks like you'll have a pretty impressive dash if you're any good at finishing fiberglass work!

i'll post a pic to show an example
of what i've done...

Originally Posted by willo (Post 307177)
One other thing: You should probably find yourself a decent 1.6 long block and drop it in there to run while you build the new engine up! That way you'll keep from rushing the new engine and if you screw up your turbo install, you'll only risk an old engine.

good advice Willo, i did think about it but i have 2 more cars... all i do is go to work and home to my garage. Work on the miata for 2 or 3 hrs a day and call it a good day. I plan on running the car first on just engine to make sure everything is working fine... once convinced, the turbo install will begin...
Once again thanks for your post.

Mouglie 09-11-2008 11:01 PM

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here is a pod made for a friend...

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Mouglie 09-11-2008 11:08 PM

mega-transformer
 

Originally Posted by KPLAFIN (Post 307181)
mega-transformers dashboard, how's that coming along?


hahaa you should check out my "mega-transformers" rear wide body fenders...
i'll post that later...

KPLAFIN 09-11-2008 11:09 PM

We need more Transformers dash pictures...


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