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18psi 03-06-2013 01:11 PM

its not like they're all stacked up and waiting for you. Over the past few weeks Ive seen at least a handful of MSPNP's sold though.

thenuge26 03-06-2013 01:17 PM


Originally Posted by Driftmissile (Post 986435)
And to everyone telling me to buy used... I have looked through the first 3 pages of the classifieds and searched ms1, ms2, megasquirt, mspnp, diypnp... and I can't find a single ecu for under 450.

There will be, besides


Originally Posted by Driftmissile (Post 985776)
But really, I'll probably buy megasquirt in the next 6 weeks.

Sounds like you have time. Take your time, get it right.

Driftmissile 03-06-2013 01:17 PM

So MSpnp you think is probably the way to go for a newb like me? My roomate has tuned over 200 Honda's on chrome so we shouldn't have a problem with that. I'm focused on install going smooth and simple

18psi 03-06-2013 01:18 PM

mspnp install goes like this:

-plug in
-connect vacuum line
-wire in ait (if going speed density)
-synch timing (on na)
Done.

Its not the best. But it will work just fine.

concealer404 03-06-2013 01:24 PM


Originally Posted by Driftmissile (Post 986443)
So MSpnp you think is probably the way to go for a newb like me? My roomate has tuned over 200 Honda's on chrome so we shouldn't have a problem with that. I'm focused on install going smooth and simple

Good thing he's messed with Crome, because it's totally the same thing.

stevenmiata 03-06-2013 01:36 PM

Hey Ryan! i like what you did for your miata! Like others said not the best but in my opinion its good considering the price you probably spent on your setup!!

I also did a "custom turbo kit" on my miata! I also need to add a megasquirt to it to proper tune it!

Keep your thread updated when you get the megasquirt and post up some video of the result :)

Driftmissile 03-06-2013 01:47 PM

Ben, you're a narrow minded moron. I'm not saying the software uses the same interface. Having experience in tuning is like having experience in autocross. The more experienced tuners can adapt to a different software and still do a kickass street tune. If you suck at autocross or drag racing no matter what car you are in you will still suck.

18psi, one thing I'm having trouble grasping is how do you tell the difference and why is MSpnp $800 and the "MS-1 megasquirt complete" $250?
I think I could probably handle a bit of wiring as I've done plenty of car stereos, and obd1 conversion on my pre obd car.

18psi 03-06-2013 01:55 PM

assembling and wiring in a megasquirt is not the same as car stereo. its not even close.

if you're good at wiring/electronics, go for it.

with the pnp that's what you're paying the extra money for: its pnp

concealer404 03-06-2013 01:57 PM


Originally Posted by Driftmissile (Post 986456)
Ben, you're a narrow minded moron. I'm not saying the software uses the same interface. Having experience in tuning is like having experience in autocross. The more experienced tuners can adapt to a different software and still do a kickass street tune. If you suck at autocross or drag racing no matter what car you are in you will still suck.

18psi, one thing I'm having trouble grasping is how do you tell the difference and why is MSpnp $800 and the "MS-1 megasquirt complete" $250?
I think I could probably handle a bit of wiring as I've done plenty of car stereos, and obd1 conversion on my pre obd car.

MSPNP plugs and plays, if it's $800 then it's probably built on MS2. MS1 complete is a complete Megasquirt 1 unit.


I'm not a narrow-minded moron at all. That statement was meant to be a joke, as it really is. Crome is entirely different from a real standalone. I tuned 40-50 cars "back in the day" when i was a kid into Hondas. So naturally, i'm not as good as your roomate or something, but we also weren't "tuning" any of those beyond seat-of-the-pants tuning, nor were we using widebands.

It was really mostly just "canned" tunes that we were loading. Not really the same thing. Crome is to pre-school as Megasquirt is to college.


You can take offense at it if you want, but it might ruin my day.

krissetsfire 03-06-2013 02:01 PM

I feel the need. The need for speeeed!

Revvin up your engine...
Listen to her howlin roar
metal under tension
beggin you to touch and go....

Driftmissile 03-06-2013 02:21 PM

So here's my next question. If I stay out of boost on my daily highway drive 60mph, 300 miles a week, will I be okay if I wait a month or so to find a mspnp for a good price? Or will I do damage to my engine? I'm looking to be realistic now. Are the injectors going to cause me problems running rich?

concealer404 03-06-2013 02:24 PM

Driving the CRX not an option?


It's honestly probably not going to blow the motor. Do you know what your AFRs are like?

18psi 03-06-2013 02:33 PM

I would go with the option that suggests taking off the egay crap, putting the car back to stock, and enjoying a properly running car til you save up for a proper setup and tune.

Driftmissile 03-06-2013 02:35 PM

This weekend I'm planning on welding in another o2 bung so my roommate can plug in his wideband. I'm running an rx7 airflow meter 7 clicks back and 1.8 injectors. Might pull the plugs friday morning and check them. I guess I could drive the crx, I just don't like to take her out in the nasty rain with all the trucks on the highway.

Driftmissile 03-06-2013 02:37 PM

Why do you hate my manifold so much? You act like it's the end of the fucking world. Every other part of my setup is solid.

18psi 03-06-2013 02:37 PM


Originally Posted by Driftmissile (Post 986477)
This weekend I'm planning on welding in another o2 bung so my roommate can plug in his wideband. I'm running an rx7 airflow meter 7 clicks back and 1.8 injectors. Might pull the plugs friday morning and check them. I guess I could drive the crx, I just don't like to take her out in the nasty rain with all the trucks on the highway.

:laugh:

o lawd, now I wanna see pictures of this crx.

you make it sound like a bugatti

it better be epic or I'll pee myself laughing

18psi 03-06-2013 02:38 PM


Originally Posted by Driftmissile (Post 986478)
Why do you hate my manifold so much? You act like it's the end of the fucking world. Every other part of my setup is solid.

are you retarded?

positively
or
absolutely

pick one

18psi 03-06-2013 02:39 PM

I think the worst part about you is that you are just too ignorant to see how much of a POS your car is

18psi 03-06-2013 02:40 PM

I'm completely honest when I say: its about 70% crap. Maybe more. I'm in a good mood and don't want to be mean.

That's the truth

concealer404 03-06-2013 02:41 PM

In for pictures of the Bugatti.

krissetsfire 03-06-2013 02:42 PM

Honestly it won't blow the motor. You do run the risk of detonation though and every time it happens it knocks a little more life off the motor. Eventually it will crack or break.

Think of it this way. If you cracked a ring the ring could function fine for thousands of miles under low power. Once you ad more power though the crack in the ring now becomes a serious fault point. Now you upgrade your ems and injectors and are running twice the boost. What do you think is going to happen to that cracked ring?

Are you willing to risk that? You could very likely drive around fine with your current setup. I'd just make sure I never went into WOT.

18psi 03-06-2013 02:44 PM

he already "drifted" on current setup in its pathetic state.

do you really think that engine is in good enough shape to warrant trying to preserve it?

krissetsfire 03-06-2013 02:44 PM

18psi is right though. That manifold is a total piece of shit and is a liability to the car.

krissetsfire 03-06-2013 02:46 PM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 986490)
he already "drifted" on current setup in its pathetic state.

do you really think that engine is in good enough shape to warrant trying to preserve it?

:vash2: touche. fuck it. run ALLOFIT.

Just wire your wastegate shut and have fun.

Driftmissile 03-06-2013 02:48 PM

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I already know what you're gonna say about this lol. She's not perfect but I have a lot of time into the project so the less dirt and rocks she sees the better. Turning volume to the max for all the hate to come.
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1362599280<br>https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1362599280<br>https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1362599280

18psi 03-06-2013 02:51 PM


Originally Posted by Driftmissile (Post 986494)
I already know what you're gonna say about this lol. She's not perfect but I have a lot of time into the project so the less dirt and rocks she sees the better. Turning volume to the max for all the hate to come.
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You know, at first I was going to post like 5 pages of: :bowrofl:

And I still think its hilarious.

But,

I'll give you one thing: it looks less riced out and terrible than I thought it would.

Given you're age, and your maturity level, that's actually not that bad. At least from the outside anyway.

Whats done to it?

concealer404 03-06-2013 02:55 PM

Lose the roof rack and i'd rock the fuck out of that. Congrats on finding un-cracked fenders.

I had an 87 Si. Very fun car.



Now explain to use how you can put that together but ended up with what you showed us as your Miata?

thenuge26 03-06-2013 02:55 PM


Originally Posted by Driftmissile (Post 986478)
Why do you hate my manifold so much? You act like it's the end of the fucking world. Every other part of my setup is solid.

https://www.miataturbo.net/diy-turbo...anifold-58878/

Every other part of your setup is cheap shit which is just good enough to run low power through, none of it is 'solid'. And most of your setup is missing, like a way to properly control fuel and timing.





Also you forgot to take your roof rack off.

thenuge26 03-06-2013 02:58 PM


Originally Posted by concealer404 (Post 986506)
Now explain to use how you can put that together but ended up with what you showed us as your Miata?

I'm not a honda guy, but I would guess due to the size of the aftermarket (and lets face it, the culture), the shit that gets thrown up on ebay is probably better quality than the same stuff for miatas.

krissetsfire 03-06-2013 02:59 PM

I also was expecting a much more awesome ride. I'm disappointed... It's not as tyyyyyyttteeee as i hoped for :(.

Enginerd 03-06-2013 03:01 PM

If it's a 1.6 diff, doesn't that count as half a drift?

Driftmissile 03-06-2013 03:01 PM

Full forged internal d16a1 (dohc) with a 75 shot of n2o obd1 tuned on crome. Interior is basically stock. oem crx floor mats, 88 prelude seats, nardi wheel, 2 12" jl audo subs, kenwood excelon deck, amped kicker 4" door speakers and optional rear 6 3/4" speakers. Also stripped out the stock sound deadener and dynamatted the entire interior with a layer of 3/8" neoprene where all the stock wool type stuff was, also filled all gaps in the quarter panels and stucture of the car with expanding foam. Suspension is koni yellows all the way around with 400lb rear springs and 24mm torsion bars. That's probably all you need to know.

concealer404 03-06-2013 03:04 PM


Originally Posted by thenuge26 (Post 986511)
I'm not a honda guy, but I would guess due to the size of the aftermarket (and lets face it, the culture), the shit that gets thrown up on ebay is probably better quality than the same stuff for miatas.

It definitely is.


But that doesn't really completely account for the pile of fuck his Miata is.

Fireindc 03-06-2013 03:05 PM

Haha cool CRX actually. The stickerd roof rack fails, but if you use it i can't hate.

I'll venture out and say MS1 is fine for you, its so many leagues better than your current setup it's not even funny.

Driftmissile 03-06-2013 03:09 PM

After you build a car like that you realize you want something you can go balls out in and not have a worry about hurting it.

And no, the crx isn't an ebay car. First gens are hard to find parts for. Theres not much aftermarket until the 88 Civics.
Also, yes, I no longer have the roof rack. But I didn't half ass that either, put a lot of clear over the stickers, came out quite nicely.

The exhaust, t25, and charge pipes are all fine up to 200hp.

18psi 03-06-2013 03:14 PM


Originally Posted by Driftmissile (Post 986524)
After you build a car like that you realize you want something you can go balls out in and not have a worry about hurting it.

And no, the crx isn't an ebay car. First gens are hard to find parts for. Theres not much aftermarket until the 88 Civics.
Also, yes, I no longer have the roof rack. But I didn't half ass that either, put a lot of clear over the stickers, came out quite nicely.

The exhaust, t25, and charge pipes are all fine up to 200hp.

:bowrofl::bowrofl::bowrofl:
:bowrofl:
:bowrofl:
:bowrofl:
:bowrofl::bowrofl::bowrofl:
:bowrofl:
:bowrofl:
:bowrofl:
:bowrofl:
:bowrofl:




Seriously: are you inbred?
Do you live under a rock?

triple88a 03-06-2013 03:15 PM

Theres 3 types of people that visit this forum.

Smart people that know their shit who do know their shit.
Average people who dont know their shit but learned their shit.
Dumb people who dont know their shit but think they know their shit.

The first 2 usually stick around, the last kind go to CR.

thenuge26 03-06-2013 03:17 PM


Originally Posted by Driftmissile (Post 986524)
After you build a car like that you realize you want something you can go balls out in and not have a worry about hurting it.

I understand, but what you have built is the EXACT OPPOSITE of that.

18psi 03-06-2013 03:18 PM

You forgot the 4th: don't know and so stupid and ignorant that they don't even know that they don't know. Those usually stickerbomb a roof rack on a CRX and keep it garaged cause its a show queen now

concealer404 03-06-2013 03:19 PM


Originally Posted by Driftmissile (Post 986524)
After you build a car like that you realize you want something you can go balls out in and not have a worry about hurting it.

And no, the crx isn't an ebay car. First gens are hard to find parts for. Theres not much aftermarket until the 88 Civics.
Also, yes, I no longer have the roof rack. But I didn't half ass that either, put a lot of clear over the stickers, came out quite nicely.

The exhaust, t25, and charge pipes are all fine up to 200hp.



Oh dear lord.

You almost had some respect going, then you fucked it all up. It's like a hooker that fell asleep 40 minutes into her hour long contract.

Driftmissile 03-06-2013 04:47 PM

Sorry, I bought a beat up roof rack to transport my mountain bike and wanted to decorate it with biking stickers.

Lee04vr 03-06-2013 05:10 PM

Why can't the honda be a DD?

Braineack 03-06-2013 05:58 PM


Originally Posted by Driftmissile (Post 986581)
Sorry, I bought a beat up roof rack to transport my mountain bike and wanted to decorate it with biking stickers.

you should be

Enginerd 03-06-2013 09:25 PM


Originally Posted by Driftmissile (Post 986519)
Full forged internal d16a1 (dohc)

Interesting...

Originally Posted by Driftmissile (Post 986519)
with a 75 shot of n2o

No longer interested.

Originally Posted by Driftmissile (Post 986519)
obd1 tuned on crome. Interior is basically stock. oem crx floor mats, 88 prelude seats, nardi wheel, 2 12" jl audo subs, kenwood excelon deck, amped kicker 4" door speakers and optional rear 6 3/4" speakers. Also stripped out the stock sound deadener and dynamatted the entire interior with a layer of 3/8" neoprene where all the stock wool type stuff was, also filled all gaps in the quarter panels and stucture of the car with expanding foam. Suspension is koni yellows all the way around with 400lb rear springs and 24mm torsion bars. That's probably all you need to know.

:nuts: It sounds obnoxiously loud, uncomfortable, heavy.

miatacross 03-06-2013 09:59 PM

Tip steps for your survival:

1. Put stock crap back on the miata

2. (same importance as 1) Buy a legitimate rollbar

3. Do a ton of research, toss your shitty setup and start over properly. All the info you need is on here, use it.

turbofan 03-06-2013 11:48 PM

Sounds like you definitely put a lot into that CRX. While I don't think it's enough to relegate it to non-dd duty, you care about the car and if you live in so cal that means you need to protect it from all the insane people who drive like they've got nothing to lose.

Just buy your ms1 or PNP... Research and decide which one you want. In the meantime, keep driving the Miata but take it easy or just disconnect the waste gate actuator from the flapper and you'll get no boost. Or just blow it up.

thirdgen 03-07-2013 12:40 AM

Don't listen to these guys...
You need a Jackson racing m45 with a power card.
Custom license plate too that reads "drftking".
Do it...you won't.

Driftmissile 03-07-2013 01:39 AM


Originally Posted by Enginerd (Post 986657)
Interesting...

No longer interested.

:nuts: It sounds obnoxiously loud, uncomfortable, heavy.

Reason I didn't go turbo on the crx is the cramped engine bay and the fact that every damn honda in my town is turbo and I like the sleeper sound.

And she is none of the above. Its actually a very comfortable sporty ride. The exhaust is 2" with high flow cat, resonator, magnaflow muffler, and a resonator tip. And she tips the scales at 2100 lbs.

And to turbofan, thank you for your understanding. I do think I will put insurance back on her and try to drive her when the weather isn't too bad.

I'm going to have my dad's friend do a roll cage within the next few months, I'm starting to get paranoid even on the daily drive lol.

I will make a little note that I actually find it quite easy to drive with an 18-20 constant vacuum.

thirdgen 03-07-2013 07:43 AM

Lol @ crx with 2" exhaust and nawz. More was posted about the stereo than the "high performance".

18psi 03-07-2013 09:27 AM

Hey OP,


Look at this guy:

https://www.miataturbo.net/build-thr...ar-junk-71408/

He's new just like you. He's cheap just like you. Yet he managed to make his project cool and no one is flaming him.

Take notes.

krissetsfire 03-07-2013 10:58 AM

he's probably not as tyte though brah!

Driftmissile 03-07-2013 11:17 AM

TBH with all the time and money I have into this pieced together kit I wish I would have bought a kit like that. We learn from our mistakes though so it's time to move on.

18psi 03-07-2013 11:22 AM

Well look at that, you're getting smarter already :)

+Props

thirdgen 03-07-2013 11:23 AM


Originally Posted by Driftmissile (Post 986850)
TBH with all the time and money I have into this pieced together kit I wish I would have bought a kit like that. We learn from our mistakes though so it's time to move on to other sites like club roadster.

Fixed.

ciacciojon 03-09-2013 02:02 PM

I've enjoyed this thread.

thirdgen 03-09-2013 09:01 PM

S my d for neg props whichever ball chinean decided on that.

dwink 03-22-2013 12:34 PM

Hey- good for you for trying to build your own kit.

I might recommend that you do one more thing to complete your comprehensive plan for MASTER boost DrifTr

Slide under the Miata and remove the oil pan drain bolt. wait until all of the black "boost fluid" drains out, and then turn up the boost with a 25 cent home built MBC.

This plan will speed up your plan to nuke that 200K engine.

writh9 03-27-2013 02:05 PM

Hey Drift
dont let these self proclaimed " geniuses " get to you. I pieced together a cheap turbo kit off ebay" as well. Although I used a megasquirtpnp from DIYautotune. Installed it on my 90 miata with 175000 miles. and it ran great for a year before the manifold cracked.. bought a solid cast unit and its worked great for the last 8 months. I use my car daily and commute 70 niles each way" mostly highway" my friend has a greedy kit on his and it runs smoother and has a wider powerband than mine. and his is a lot prettier...lol but this was my first and have less than $1400 in it "$800 was for the megasquirt"...so have fun with your car and upgrade as you can afford it..later

18psi 03-27-2013 02:08 PM


Originally Posted by writh9 (Post 994465)
Hey Drift
dont let these self proclaimed " geniuses " get to you. I pieced together a cheap turbo kit off ebay" as well. Although I used a megasquirtpnp from DIYautotune. Installed it on my 90 miata with 175000 miles. and it ran great for a year before the manifold cracked.. bought a solid cast unit and its worked great for the last 8 months. I use my car daily and commute 70 niles each way" mostly highway" my friend has a greedy kit on his and it runs smoother and has a wider powerband than mine. and his is a lot prettier...lol but this was my first and have less than $1400 in it "$800 was for the megasquirt"...so have fun with your car and upgrade as you can afford it..later

So we're telling him it will break, then you tell him " don't listen to them, I did the same thing and mine broke"

Are you retarded or just really stupid?

Oh and its GREDDY. G R E D D Y!!

The only thing that's greedy is you for pinching pennies on important car parts.

turbofan 03-27-2013 02:14 PM


Originally Posted by writh9 (Post 994465)
Hey Drift
dont let these self proclaimed " geniuses " get to you. I pieced together a cheap turbo kit off ebay" as well. Although I used a megasquirtpnp from DIYautotune. Installed it on my 90 miata with 175000 miles. and it ran great for a year before the manifold cracked.. bought a solid cast unit and its worked great for the last 8 months. I use my car daily and commute 70 niles each way" mostly highway" my friend has a greedy kit on his and it runs smoother and has a wider powerband than mine. and his is a lot prettier...lol but this was my first and have less than $1400 in it "$800 was for the megasquirt"...so have fun with your car and upgrade as you can afford it..later

Thank you for providing absolutely no new information to this thread. You're running MS. That was our advice. "Don't listen to them, but do what they say".


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