My god that's cheap!
 

I know it's a chinacharger but jeez that is cheap!


eBay Motors: Drift T28 GT2860 SR20det KA24deTurbo 350hp Quick Spool (item 170305118832 end time Feb-28-09 19:15:14 PST)

I posted this link in Phil's WTB thread a while back: eBay Motors: T28 Turbo Turbocharger Civic S13 S14 Internal Wastegate (item 120377834809 end time Feb-18-09 17:55:29 PST)

I would've bought it.

Their feedback sucks. Looks like they don't know how to package an intercooler for shipping. Several people bitching about damaged IC received, or wrong one. But hey it's a drifttturbo so it must be good.

Man for 300 bucks... So in theory I could just pull the old 2560 off my FMII setup and stick this in its place, correct?

Yes, and then sell me your 2560. ;)
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you'd end up with a smaller turbo.


The turbo in the link is a T28. A T28 is defined as T25 turbine with a T3 compressor wheel; T25 + T3 = T28

Your 2560 is technically a T28, but the new naming convention with the BB turbos follows a different pattern. The old turbos on the FM and BEGi kits were labeled as T28s if journal bearing, but share the exact specs as a new GT2560, minus the ball bearings.

A Ball Bearing GT2560 is a T25 turbine wheel and a 60 trim T3 compressor wheel.

The eBay turbo in the link is a T25 turbine, journal bearing, and only a 50 trim T3 compressor wheel. So it's more or less in between a 2554 and 2560...

That's the one I bought, I'll let ya'll know if it blows up or not :-/

I am guessing it will.

I've heard horror stories of these going and then sending shrapnel down the tubes into the engine...

Scott; care to share your opinions on this one?

Thanks

Well, I did a lot of research prior to ordering my pos and this is pretty much what I came up with.

Will it last as long as an oem or namebrand turbo, hell no. Will ALL of them blow up, no. It seems like the guys trying to run higher boost(ie above 12 or so) seem to run into problems with balancing. Otherwise though, guys trying to run pussy amounts of boost(IE me) should be fine. We will see though. If you see a "I need a new motor thread" then yeah...:crx:

There are only a handful of people on this board who actually has any actual experience with chinachargers, everything is mainly heresay.

Personally, I DO have experience with a chinacharger (although not that specific one) and from what I have seen, there is nothing wrong with it. For that price, I say go for it and stop listening to a bunch of "I heard......"

It's the same specs as the first one posted. 60mm compressor, 42mm inducer. 42^2 / 60^2 = 50 trim

I wouldn't run a .86 A/R T25 turbine housing myself.

I suppose you could call this a china charger. Bought it last week $598 New Zealand dollars.
Specs:
Compressor side
Inlet 60mm, outlet 50mm, 56-trim compressor;
inducer 45mm, exducer 60mm
Exhaust side
0.49 A/R turbine housing, turbine wheel outlet 46mm,
outer diameter 53mm

0.64 a/r turbine housing is available for $75.

There are larger ones available.
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Should be on in the next 2 months, will give feedback.

So i dont get what the differences are between these and the ones that BEGI are going to sell. If they are that bad, I couldnt see why in the world BEGI would take such a liabilty with selling these only for some to grenade a few motors

Jared; you have to take into account the fact that BEGI is doing its due dilligence and I'm sure they'll be using only 1 supplier they trust while, if you buy one from a vendor you don't know, you're the one taking the risk.

I guess I can look at it in a similar fashion to all of the aluminum race radiators on egay. It seems like the godspeeds and others like it are basically the same thing as the cheap ass ones that Cxracing sells. To me Rafa, is like saying, i only trust this cow manure from this farm. In the end, its all still shit isnt it?

Meh, it's like saying eating at taco bell and saying you've had authentic mexican cuisine. You know, it's all the same? Not really the case.

I have seen wayyyyyy wayyy WAYYYYY (cannot stress this enough) to many chineese parts fail from lack of give-a-shit. Every form of failure possible, be it design, material selection, manufacturing processes, machining, quality control, and everything else possibly imaginable.Their main goal is cheap, everything else, second. I could list a thousand examples. I've listed a few before in another thread. But in my mind, most cheap chinese things are junk. They don't build to parts to be the best. They build them to be the cheapest to sell and make money. Sure, there are exceptions to everything, but the majority of the products coming out of china are junk. Whether or not any particular brand chinese turbo happens to be truely well designed (copied), made of quality materials that are suitable for the given application, machined well and to specs, maintaining correct surface finishes and clearances throughout, assembled properly and balance is anyones guess.

I'd pimp it. If it does grenade then the IC will ingest the parts spewed from the turbo. It isn't likely that they would make it through there and into the motor.

I'm totally with you on this one.

If I was you guys I'd buy brand names. In the long run you will be better off with a garrett than with that china charger.

It's not that there aren't okay products coming from there, it's the total lack of control. If you're a supplier to Ford or Honda, and you put a bunch of marginal parts out there, you can have things that cost you X to make, giving you net profits of, say 0.10*X, come back and cost 7*X or more to replace when the dealer is installing them and being paid full boat for parts and labor. If just a tiny percentage fails, you're working for free, or even paying to come in every day. Way more fun to sit under Santa Monica pier with a bottle of Night Train, and more profitable, too.

If you're selling stuff to fly-by-night basement price hoes who sell on Ebay, it doesn't matter quite so much.

A manufacturing environment with poor controls may make lots of good parts, but it may also produce a lot of bad parts. And nobody involved may be aware of when it's going well and when it's going not so well. A company may accidentally make awesome material one day, and accidentally make dangerous material the next, and not even be aware of what they did different or why it mattered.

How many turbos from his potential chinacharger vendor has Corky done durability testing on, and from how many different production lots? Has he done compressor wheel burst tests? .... Someone who cares, feel free to ask him and post the answers in his forum.

Good luck with the chinachargers.

I decided on the following rules for buying tools from Harbor Freight a long time ago, and have been successful: If it has to be precise, has moving parts, has to be strong, or has to be sharp and cut something, get it elsewhere. If none of those apply, go to the store and inspect before buying.

My CXRacing radiator is still holding, but not everyone's is. I have a used OEM IHI WRX turbo waiting for me to figure out tuning.

dont kno if i trust ebay

I hate all the chinacharger horror stories.

My roommate has been running one on his mustang for two years with no issues except that it has started to burn a little oil recently. We think it is due to the turbo sitting on it's end for long periods of time between cars (his old car was totaled and the same kit was put on his new car a few months later). He has sent it off to be rebuilt, and all is well.

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Oh, and if you want a large chinacharger I have one for sale on ebay. Probably the best pictures a chinacharger has ever had...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...3270&viewitem=

thats not that cheap. I've seen them for 120 shipped before

I'm considering pulling the trigger on this one:
eBay Motors: GT28 GT2870 Turbo Charger internal wastegate .86 A/R (item 400032809771 end time Feb-28-09 19:14:57 PST)

Its just a bummer that there aren't any in this size for ~$200 shipped like the gt2560 sized ones. I think they would go like hotcakes because people would like to try the bigger stuff with a T2 flange.

w00t let the chinacharger testing begin!

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I've seen chinachargers work well too. We all have. But the fact is they have a higher failure rate than other brands. Your argument is like saying "I drive a Yugo and it runs fine. Therefore Yugo's are reliable vehicles!" I'll admit, three times I've seen one moving on its own power. But I've seen far more in a junkyard. So while some may work ok and a few might even consider them "reliable". But that doesn't change the fact that a lot of them in the junk yard have less than 50k miles on the odometer.

I mostly agree with SolarYellow510. China lacks give-a-shit. It might make them money, but it doesn't build them a solid reputation.

If drive a chinacharger and it works well, then chinachargers are reliable


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