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posidon42 02-19-2008 09:17 PM

New FM ceramic manifold and outlet casting
 
So my new parts came in today. The black looks cool, but seems to be non-uniformly applied. Anyway, I took some pictures of the inside of the manifold and the casting as there are some pretty rough casting marks in there. Should I bother cleaning it out or am I going to mess up the ceramic coating I just paid for?

http://picasaweb.google.com/marshameyer/FMCeramicParts

Zabac 02-19-2008 09:24 PM

i dont see how removing casting imperfections from the inside will hurt the coating on the outside...just get a wire brush in there, the one that goes on a grill and go town on it, it should be all you need

patsmx5 02-19-2008 10:06 PM

Is it black, silver, or duck coated? Sorry, couldn't resist. I'd say hell yea clean up any obvious casting marks.

posidon42 02-19-2008 10:29 PM

but I thought the ceramic coating was on the inside and the outside? If not, there are some strange materials in the inside of this.

Zabac 02-19-2008 10:36 PM

its FMs secret recipe for duck stew

sorry, lol
its cast,there will be residue

Splitime 02-19-2008 10:39 PM

Some places coat inside, some coat outside, some coat both. The inside helps retain heat and transfer it's energy into the turbine, creating a quicker spool. Outside is all about keeping heat from the engine bay.

I'd just go ahead and clean it up. Sad that they left a rough casting and then coated over it.

Zabac 02-19-2008 10:43 PM


Originally Posted by Splitime (Post 216873)
Some places coat inside, some coat outside, some coat both. The inside helps retain heat and transfer it's energy into the turbine, creating a quicker spool. Outside is all about keeping heat from the engine bay.

is this a fact? is there an actual noticable difference in spool or is this just a theory...thanks for the info split
if there is a noticable difference ill have my mani coated inside as well for sure
please do elaborate

cjernigan 02-19-2008 10:54 PM

I know two places that refuse to coat the inside because of the risk of some of it flaking and going through the turbo. YMMV

posidon42 02-19-2008 10:56 PM

maybe this was my impression from the begi kit. Man, I wish I would have asked FM about this now :( I know the Begi kit is internally and externally coated. According to his book, it keeps more heat in the charge which theoretically spins the turbo faster since you have one more thermal medium for the heat to pass through. I don't know how much of an additional benefit it is, but it sounds cool. Well I guess I am going to have to wait until I get some time to clean this up before I mount it back on the car. I just wish this stuff would come ready to put on. You would think for $800 in parts they could get rid of the casting marks. Oh well, off to buy some attachments for my dremel!

Saml01 02-19-2008 11:08 PM

I bet its duck sauce.

Btw, I think there manifold looks cheap compared to Begis. Maybe its just me.

jayc72 02-19-2008 11:20 PM

FWIW there are several of casting imperfections in my BEGI manifold. I don't think it makes a difference in the grand scheme of things.

posidon42 02-19-2008 11:44 PM

I really like the look of the S4 manifold from Begi. I don't know if it actually does anything but that ram horn look is sweet.

Loki047 02-19-2008 11:53 PM


Originally Posted by cjernigan (Post 216885)
I know two places that refuse to coat the inside because of the risk of some of it flaking and going through the turbo. YMMV

+1 I would be afraid, but then again i get startled by puppies

cjernigan 02-19-2008 11:54 PM


Originally Posted by posidon42 (Post 216886)
maybe this was my impression from the begi kit. Man, I wish I would have asked FM about this now :( I know the Begi kit is internally and externally coated. According to his book, it keeps more heat in the charge which theoretically spins the turbo faster since you have one more thermal medium for the heat to pass through. I don't know how much of an additional benefit it is, but it sounds cool.

BEGI does not have their manifolds coated internally, i just got mine last week. You can see the inside is not coated here, the only black ceramic on the inside is overspray. I am kind of disappointed they didn't tape the studs off. I'll clean them up before the install. Most places also tape off the flanges when coating. Atleast when i inquired about coatings in my area they taped them off to ensure there was no obstruction of the flat mating surface.

http://www.tokrv.net/cjernigan/begi/begi-Images/12.jpg
As for casting imperfections, my BEGI mani was cleaned up after it was cast, it has normal casting marks but the ports were cleaned up substantially.

Loki047 02-19-2008 11:59 PM

Yours is black?

cjernigan 02-20-2008 12:07 AM

All ducks are black when you ask for them to be.

Efini~FC3S 02-20-2008 12:21 AM

My duck is silver...and is acting like a ceramic.

posidon42 02-20-2008 12:44 AM

alright, alright :) enough with the duck references... geez. My new manifold doesn't the mating surfaces coated but I think I am going to fix the inside casting marks this weekend.

elesjuan 02-20-2008 04:13 AM

So they don't coat the inside of their parts, or clean up the casting flash inside either? yuck.

hustler 02-20-2008 03:12 PM

i need to get my manifold and exhaust housing coated.


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