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Old 10-23-2007, 10:06 PM   #1
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I was asking John for a replacement manifold for my FMII which would support an external wastegate. He was wondering if people would be interested in a log manifold which would work for the BEGI, FM or DIY crowd which would place the turbo in the exact same place as BEGI/FM, but also offer a 35mm external wastegate port on the lower, or upper portion of the manifold. (have to play with it to see which works best)

This would allow someone to either run a blockoff plate, or an external wastegate for better boost control.

Target price would be $399

He would probably start with a 1.8 manifold first as he would use my 2000 BEGI FMII to build the first manifold.

This would be great for the GT2871 crowd who find they have boost control issues with an external wastegate, but would also provide a great starting point for the DIY user.

What do you think? ETD has quite a lot of experience build manifolds, but I think he could still add a few to his line-up. http://www.etdracing.com/manifolds.html
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Depending on EWG flange placement, I may be interested in a product like this down the road. It would have to be nice, though, since I'm pretty sure BEGI will make this same modification to any of their manifolds for a small price.
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Begi quoted me $100 to modify my T3 mani for external WG in similar fashion to the HE-X.
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Depending on EWG flange placement, I may be interested in a product like this down the road.
What is preferred? How much does BEGI charge the a manifold if someone wanted to purchase one for a DIY setup?

The thought is that this would work for FMII, BEGI and DIY users.
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I think it's a good idea. I already have an ETD mani but if they do it, make sure the wastegate port doesn't put the wastegate partially inside the cylinder head
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BEGi will add the WG flange on their mani for an additional $100, or $489 total, and they include 10mm hardware.
Factor in the additional shipping charge from importing from Canada, they become fairly cost equal.

I'd rather see a new design, than more of the same old. I'd love to see a production manifold that bottom mounts the turbo for a straight downpipe.
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Like WOTs ramhorn bottom mount? Flipside can reproduce that piece.
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Proper wastegate location, i.e. not all cocked off to one side, but right next to the turbo in the center of the 4 runners. Also, if it didn't contact anything that would be nice too. To be honest I was just going to have BEGI modify mine and add the 10mm studs whenever I jump to the larger setup, so it would have to be a terribly nice piece for me to switch.
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I used to run bottom mount and I had to move a ton of waterlines out of the way. It can be done, but from past experiences it was not popular. ETD can make it, but would need some pre-sold as the past experience with this style was not a good one.
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To make it really slick, have them build a replacement DP top half to replace the BEGI divorced 2 piece DP top half that would have the blockoff plate built in and plumb back into the bottom half of the BEGI slip joint. Not sure if the space is there, but that would be very sweet.

Nothing is worse than having to replace a bad 35/38mm EWG gasket on an EWG that is impossible to reach. EWG on the top of the mani, dump tube easily removable. Hell, make it a v-band EWG flange and run a 44mm Tial.

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To make it really slick, have them build a replacement DP top half to replace the BEGI divorced 2 piece DP top half that would have the blockoff plate built in and plumb back into the bottom half of the BEGI slip joint. Not sure if the space is there, but that would be very sweet.

Nothing is worse than having to replace a bad 35/38mm EWG gasket on an EWG that is impossible to reach. EWG on the top of the mani, dump tube easily removable. Hell, make it a v-band EWG flange and run a 44mm Tial.

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DONT RUN WG GASKETS.

it's pretty easy.
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I'd rather see a new design, than more of the same old. I'd love to see a production manifold that bottom mounts the turbo for a straight downpipe.
One of Corky's next projects!
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I used to run bottom mount and I had to move a ton of waterlines out of the way. It can be done, but from past experiences it was not popular. ETD can make it, but would need some pre-sold as the past experience with this style was not a good one.
I don't know about "a ton of waterlines" as I think there's only 2 to deal with.
Anyway, like I said, I'd like to see something new, not a copy of someone else's work at the same price. What's the point of that
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One of Corky's next projects!
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OMG, please, don't make me regret my order (S5 1.8 T3, fitting for tial)

But that's great for you guys. Atlanta93LE has a bottom mounted 16G setup that was made by turbo tony with a 3" downpipe (swages to 2.5"). And I love how smooth and progressive it spools up.
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