Recommend the best BOV for my boost levels.
#61
Even with 30 psi the valve wont be opened at wot even on the softest spring. The pressure is even on both sides therefore the only thing the valve sees is the spring. 0 surge, small leak between 60-80kpa on my 2554 since it's partially spooled and i have replaced the secondary spring with an even softer spring.
#62
Got the new "green" main spring from Forge - yippee! Installed and test drove around the neighborhood...
First thing I have to say is the difference from an old China BOV to the Forge is AMAZING. Its like a whole new car! I'm at 0psi around 2000rpms, and no longer have to wait 2000rpms to get to max boost. Crazy different. It also sounds great, the sound is way meaner than the "pew pew pew" HKS's. I don't know why anyone buys a China BOV.
Only thing is... I still have plenty of compressor surge. This spring is supposed to be for 5-15PSI, but it really only opens when I'm full 9-point-something PSI of boost. Even when it opens, its only for a split second, then I get compressor surge again.
I understand it can be quite tough to get rid of every little ounce of surge, but at this point its not really safe to drive too much. Should I cut the spring? Heat the spring? Enlarge the holes? I kept the stock (I think softest) secondary spring in there, btw. Not sure where to go from here.
First thing I have to say is the difference from an old China BOV to the Forge is AMAZING. Its like a whole new car! I'm at 0psi around 2000rpms, and no longer have to wait 2000rpms to get to max boost. Crazy different. It also sounds great, the sound is way meaner than the "pew pew pew" HKS's. I don't know why anyone buys a China BOV.
Only thing is... I still have plenty of compressor surge. This spring is supposed to be for 5-15PSI, but it really only opens when I'm full 9-point-something PSI of boost. Even when it opens, its only for a split second, then I get compressor surge again.
I understand it can be quite tough to get rid of every little ounce of surge, but at this point its not really safe to drive too much. Should I cut the spring? Heat the spring? Enlarge the holes? I kept the stock (I think softest) secondary spring in there, btw. Not sure where to go from here.
#69
That would only be an issue from a response side of things. BOV doesn't vent through that little reference hose.
I use a 20+ year old HKS unit on the MX6 and the nipple is impossibly small. Doesn't hurt anything. Still surges (well really... it's unloaded compressor stall, so really not a big deal at all at low boost pressures) anything below 10psi, but that's how i had to adjust it to not eat **** at 25psi+.
Huge piston helps, too.
I use a 20+ year old HKS unit on the MX6 and the nipple is impossibly small. Doesn't hurt anything. Still surges (well really... it's unloaded compressor stall, so really not a big deal at all at low boost pressures) anything below 10psi, but that's how i had to adjust it to not eat **** at 25psi+.
Huge piston helps, too.
#70
Lots of vacuum. My gauge isn't super accurate (Chinese) so its more of a reference thing. I would have to check the log from my MS3 to see true data.
18psi - what size/location do you recommend for the BOV? I used this 3/16th stuff all over the place, wastegate too. I don't exactly see how larger hose would help, though. Wouldn't that technically mean LESS vacuum the larger you go?
18psi - what size/location do you recommend for the BOV? I used this 3/16th stuff all over the place, wastegate too. I don't exactly see how larger hose would help, though. Wouldn't that technically mean LESS vacuum the larger you go?
#71
Lots of vacuum. My gauge isn't super accurate (Chinese) so its more of a reference thing. I would have to check the log from my MS3 to see true data.
18psi - what size/location do you recommend for the BOV? I used this 3/16th stuff all over the place, wastegate too. I don't exactly see how larger hose would help, though. Wouldn't that technically mean LESS vacuum the larger you go?
18psi - what size/location do you recommend for the BOV? I used this 3/16th stuff all over the place, wastegate too. I don't exactly see how larger hose would help, though. Wouldn't that technically mean LESS vacuum the larger you go?
You aren't having a response problem anyways, from your description. You're having a "my **** doesn't vent" problem.
Is the unit adjustable at all?
#72
That would only be an issue from a response side of things. BOV doesn't vent through that little reference hose.
I use a 20+ year old HKS unit on the MX6 and the nipple is impossibly small. Doesn't hurt anything. Still surges (well really... it's unloaded compressor stall, so really not a big deal at all at low boost pressures) anything below 10psi, but that's how i had to adjust it to not eat **** at 25psi+.
Huge piston helps, too.
I use a 20+ year old HKS unit on the MX6 and the nipple is impossibly small. Doesn't hurt anything. Still surges (well really... it's unloaded compressor stall, so really not a big deal at all at low boost pressures) anything below 10psi, but that's how i had to adjust it to not eat **** at 25psi+.
Huge piston helps, too.
because on my '00 with a Forge bpv I used a vacuum line T with a restrictor in it, making the ID a lot smaller and got noticeable comp surge, replaced and all was fine. nothing else changed. the restrictor was small, but not microscopic, probably about half of the "normal" vacuum line ID.
I'm not saying that's for sure it. I'm saying its worth considering
Lots of vacuum. My gauge isn't super accurate (Chinese) so its more of a reference thing. I would have to check the log from my MS3 to see true data.
18psi - what size/location do you recommend for the BOV? I used this 3/16th stuff all over the place, wastegate too. I don't exactly see how larger hose would help, though. Wouldn't that technically mean LESS vacuum the larger you go?
18psi - what size/location do you recommend for the BOV? I used this 3/16th stuff all over the place, wastegate too. I don't exactly see how larger hose would help, though. Wouldn't that technically mean LESS vacuum the larger you go?
how do you know its at 9psi then
#73
except no
because on my '00 with a Forge bpv I used a vacuum line T with a restrictor in it, making the ID a lot smaller and got noticeable comp surge, replaced and all was fine. nothing else changed. the restrictor was small, but not microscopic, probably about half of the "normal" vacuum line ID.
I'm not saying that's for sure it. I'm saying its worth considering
because on my '00 with a Forge bpv I used a vacuum line T with a restrictor in it, making the ID a lot smaller and got noticeable comp surge, replaced and all was fine. nothing else changed. the restrictor was small, but not microscopic, probably about half of the "normal" vacuum line ID.
I'm not saying that's for sure it. I'm saying its worth considering
You were getting surge due to response time. His **** is just straight up not opening until 9.whatever psi, according to his super accurate chinese gauge.
I'd say it's possible that maybe it's surging enough to dump pressure that by the time his slow responding valve would have gotten the memo, it's open, but unless he's put a restrictor in, himself, it's really unlikely to happen using 3/16" open line.
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#74
Since you were saying that boost gauge was plumbed in the same place as BOV I don't care what your ECU says. What I was getting at was making sure that the place you were getting your signal actually sees vacuum.
If your boost gauge sees vacuum then it is probably an ok place to be plugged into BOV wise.
If your boost gauge sees vacuum then it is probably an ok place to be plugged into BOV wise.
#75
The gauge is always the same, the numbers just don't fall in the correct place. When I am making about 9.5psi the gauge reads 11psi. Not too big of deal really.
Right. It's not a response thing. It's opening, just not as much as I need it to. The part that is weirdest to me is that it DOES open, but then must not vent enough air because I still get compressor surge even after it opens. Just a weaker spring, then?
Right. It's not a response thing. It's opening, just not as much as I need it to. The part that is weirdest to me is that it DOES open, but then must not vent enough air because I still get compressor surge even after it opens. Just a weaker spring, then?
#78
They don't make a softer spring. I'm on the green spring, which is the softest they make. I also have the yellow one which is the next step heavier and that's the one that wouldn't open at all.
That's why I was saying earlier if I should try to heat the spring or something to make it softer. I guess I'll have to give them a call too.
That's why I was saying earlier if I should try to heat the spring or something to make it softer. I guess I'll have to give them a call too.