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ZX-Tex 08-06-2008 11:38 AM

Corky has a side-by-side radiator/IC combo sitting on a shelf in the lobby of BEGI. It looks about the right size for a Miata, though I do not know its history. It might be interesting to know the story behind it.

zoom2zoom 08-06-2008 02:26 PM


Originally Posted by m2cupcar (Post 292963)
Isn't that exactly the guy you're speaking of?

That thread really doesn't show the benefit in all that work... I think it'd take a real scientific approach to prove that there's any greater advantage over the traditional approach. There's a lot of things that aren't immediately obvious when first considering it the setup. Most are immediately blinded by the advantage of direct exposure to both exchangers (or only having them covered by the condenser). But then you've introduced the IC to engine bay (header/turbo) heat exposure that it didn't have before (and so on).

If you have a dedicated fan and/or heat shield behind the IC it would more than make up for any engine heat sources.

hustler 08-06-2008 02:30 PM


Originally Posted by ZX-Tex (Post 292998)
Corky has a side-by-side radiator/IC combo sitting on a shelf in the lobby of BEGI. It looks about the right size for a Miata, though I do not know its history. It might be interesting to know the story behind it.

i really want to know now.

m2cupcar 08-06-2008 02:33 PM


Originally Posted by zoom2zoom (Post 293075)
If you have a dedicated fan and/or heat shield behind the IC it would more than make up for any engine heat sources.

Except that the heat shield would then prevent the flow of air from the exchangers past the header/turbo. So now what? Compressor housing heat soak and elevated intake temps? Then that means the IC is getting hotter air and thus the probability of resulting temps similar to the fmic... negating the advantage.

This is what I'm speaking of- w/o testing everything, changing one thing and seeing a positive result means nothing if you've changed five other thing negatively but fail to realize it.

Braineack 08-06-2008 02:35 PM

move IC to coldside of bay ;)

Splitime 08-06-2008 02:37 PM

Or just V-Mount it... :p

ZX-Tex 08-06-2008 02:44 PM


Originally Posted by hustler (Post 293080)
i really want to know now.

Call them up and ask them. They are pretty friendly about that kind of thing.

m2cupcar 08-06-2008 03:29 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 293082)
move IC to coldside of bay ;)

OMG then you'll double the length of the hot side pipe ;)

oh, and mr. V - where did you say your condenser was? (and trash is not an option) :D

Splitime 08-06-2008 03:31 PM


Originally Posted by m2cupcar (Post 293105)
OMG then you'll double the length of the hot side pipe ;)

oh, and mr. V - where did you say your condenser was? (and trash is not an option) :D

Grinder's Vmount has the condenser below the radiator. Lots of room to fit it. Or it could be level right in the middle of everything.

zoom2zoom 08-06-2008 03:41 PM

A/C is a must, that's why I sold my other Miata to buy one with A/C. Never missed it before I moved to Utah. The condensor can easily be moved around. I pretty much have everything for a nice V-mount setup if the side by side fails.

The_Pipefather 08-06-2008 05:34 PM


Originally Posted by m2cupcar (Post 293105)
OMG then you'll double the length of the hot side pipe

assuming this isnt a joke, doubling the length might be beneficial in terms of heat loss from the pipe.

hustler 08-06-2008 06:52 PM


Originally Posted by zoom2zoom (Post 293111)
A/C is a must, that's why I sold my other Miata to buy one with A/C. Never missed it before I moved to Utah. The condensor can easily be moved around. I pretty much have everything for a nice V-mount setup if the side by side fails.

I'm thinking about removing it in my car right now because it doesn't really work that well currently, and i think that if it were hot enough to need the AC, I'd rather drive something else.

drgoodwrench 08-06-2008 07:39 PM

here is the beginning of my side by side
 
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The Radiator will be a Ron Davis triple core, the IC is a stock Mazda part......

samnavy 08-06-2008 08:41 PM

^Ooooooohhhhh.... I see lotsa new parts (like motor)... and require lots more info on this setup. Don't forget to start a thread and post pics when this thing is complete.

m2cupcar 08-06-2008 08:56 PM

yeah- it was a joke... if you're extending one, you're most likely shortening the other. But the shorter cold side pipe is probably the better option. I'm doing the same thing- but I'm running an oil cooler in that spot.

zoom2zoom 08-06-2008 09:04 PM


Originally Posted by The_Pipefather (Post 293168)
assuming this isnt a joke, doubling the length might be beneficial in terms of heat loss from the pipe.

To add to that, the total piping length would be the same regardless of which side it's on. Whether it's the inlet or outlet piping that's longer, doesn't really make a difference.

drgoodwrench 08-06-2008 09:06 PM

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Will do. Here are a few more mock up photos of the work in progress..

KPLAFIN 08-06-2008 09:08 PM

That's one hell of a shop you got there. The car doesn't look half bad either. What's your ETA for being done with it..well having it driveable?

drgoodwrench 08-06-2008 09:09 PM

shooting for two weeks from Saturday

levnubhin 08-06-2008 09:11 PM

:eek5::eek5::eek5: Please please start a build thread. Must have more pics and info.
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