squeegee

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I've searched the forum and there's lots of info on raising boost pressure, but how about getting 3-4 psi out of a SR20 T25?

I know I'll get some flak for doing things a bit backwards, but I'd like to start with low enough boost where I won't need an intercooler, clutch or diff (It's a 1.6) right off the bat to get things sorted before having to upgrade.

Seems to me that you'd also get a great tune if you dialed in 4 psi, then all the cells for 6, 8, etc.

Is it possible that the stock 7psi is mild enough?

aidandj

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Less wastegate preload. It still might creep.

shuiend

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You would need a lower pressure waste gate. I know on my 1.8 with the stock wastegate and a intercooler I was running around 5psi on a stock exhaust. Honestly you need to get to the intercooler, clutch, and diff much sooner then later.

Girz0r

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You would just find the lowest rated wastegate for it. Possible you may get boost creep but I think others just tune 'up to' the creep level and just hold it all the way across the rpm band with ebc.

squeegee

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Thanks guys,
I'd hoped I could just adjust the rod to get it to open way early, but I don't know if the actuator opens linearly vs pressure or at a certain psi. Looks like there's an actuator on eBay that goes from 4-25psi. That's from adjusting preload, so I might be able to get down low with the stock actuator or worst case, buy a $40 actuator for a $100 turbo.

deezums

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It's linear to a point, then not. You're problem is going to be setting preload loose enough that it doesn't boost, but enough preload that it doesn't blow open on it's own trying to make any boost.

Ebay will lie right to your face, doesn't mean it's necessarily junk, but be careful. For whatever it's worth I think my china can is good to around 4-6 psi on a completely different turbo...

x_25

We managed to get 3-4psi on my friend's chinacharger by tying the waste gate open. The only thing I can thing to do that is easy to lower boost is to somehow mount an adjustable spring trying to pull the waste gate open against the actuator. That would let you adjust pressure down. It may blow open from exhaust gasses though.

deezums

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Power curve of a rotrex, turbo with wastegate wired open. 3-4 psi max at 7200, whoopie.

Your friends car's wastegate is terrible and he should feel bad.

Girz0r

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Yup

squeegee

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Oh, I like this idea. It makes me wonder if the exhaust pressure on the waste gate affects the opening point much. Maybe porting the WG would cause more pressure on the arm reducing preload while reducing creep. Does that sound like as much of a crackpot theory to you guys as it does to me?

x_25

Oh yeah, spool was terible. We tied it open since he had just bought it and it was trying to make 15psi at redline on stock injectors with an inop wideband. Once we got the wideband working and could see what the car was doing we reconected the actuator and set the preload lightly until we can get new injectors and such in there.

We also move the wga reference back to the conmpressor outlet rather than after the throttle body. Net result is ~4-5psi from 3500rpm and the tapering up from 5k to redline where it makes 7-8psi.

Also, OP, this is on a bone stock 1.6, stock injectors, stock clutch and stock dif. They seem to be holding up well, but my friend has yet to put anything but allseasons on it in the 4k miles he has owned it. So the tires break free before we run into trouble with anything else it seems.

Get and intercooler and you can likely get away with 6-8psi (set preload lightly, grab your waste gate reference before the intercooler so that it doesn't compensate for the pressure drop across it. Read the "don't need ebc" sticky to see why that is) and you should be ok if you have a modecum of mechanical sympathy.

x_25

No, that would work the other way. Porting it would expose the waste gate to more pressure, so it would be more likely to blow open.

Girz0r

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Is it on a bone stock 1.6 ecu as well?

x_25

Voodoo II box and MSD for spark. It will eventually be getting a megasquirt. Can't ask for much on a car in good mechanical shape for $1500 that doesn't actually try to blow up and runs well.

Girz0r

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Op, What ecu do you plan to run?

squeegee

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The next step is a MSPNP. I figure I'll tune NA for a while and step up to bigger injectors before bolting on a turbo.


The pressure drop on an intercooler might be the ticket. I guess an eBay intercooler wouldn't be too much more than doing the intake piping sans-cooler, right? Ironically I could probably run 7psi fine with that setup

aidandj

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https://www.miataturbo.net/diy-turbo...tercool-83180/

If only there was a helpful sticky about ebay intercooling.

x_25

Corect answeres.

squeegee

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Thanks for writing that up, I'll totally use that when the time comes.

Since I really want to spread out the costs, maybe I should intercool before I go turbo

acedeuce802

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Wait, your car is naturally aspirated, you can't afford an intercooler, but you think you are good to boost it?

Save up, do it right from the get go.