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bigdave1701 05-06-2018 06:39 PM

T25 turbo Downpipe - Don’t ask any questions or you will die
 
looking to get some advice on ways to fabricate a downpipe from my T25 turbo on a NB 1.6 it’s at a angle here in the U.K. theres isn’t many options online to purchase one.

Forgive it’s all eBay rubbish but my turbo and manifold cost me £160 so couldn’t say no

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...69677fede.jpeg
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...9c59cbee1.jpeg

timbomfg 05-06-2018 06:51 PM

Honestly, for the faff that looks like its going to bring to the table, i'd be sorely tempted to sack than manifold off back on ebay, and pickup something like the Kraken kit. Given you'll get the downpipe, mani, and all the fixtures/fittings to make it all "just work", seems the simpler solution.

bigdave1701 05-06-2018 06:56 PM

Yeah
 
Good point this has crossed my mind but kind of gutted to loose out on £60 haha those kraken kits ain’t cheap mind already ordered my oil and water lines 2. Trying to find a downpipe that fits a t25 and just cutting it at the wastegate then welding it at a angle. Cheers for the advice it’s probably what I will and up doing.

sixshooter 05-06-2018 10:24 PM

More than you can afford, pal.

skylinecalvin 05-06-2018 10:32 PM


Originally Posted by bigdave1701 (Post 1480617)
Good point this has crossed my mind but kind of gutted to loose out on £60 haha those kraken kits ain’t cheap mind already ordered my oil and water lines 2. Trying to find a downpipe that fits a t25 and just cutting it at the wastegate then welding it at a angle. Cheers for the advice it’s probably what I will and up doing.

From what I've seen, those ebay manifolds are cheap for a reason. If you think the Kraken Kit "aint cheap" then I don't think you should be turboing a car this point in your life. Kraken's Kit and MKTurbo's Kit are basically the cheapest you can reliably go.

18psi 05-06-2018 11:36 PM

"a fool and his money are soon parted"

bigdave1701 05-07-2018 05:17 AM

I got the car for £600 its basically my play with car didnt want to put 3k into it or i would have just bought a car with a turbo running 2 cars at the min have 3 kids so have the family car and then this. Not saying the Kraken kits not worth buying just wanted to try and use this one i scored for. I aint exactly cheaping out im about to shell out $400 for the emanage harness guess its worth using that money towards this first.

Cheers for the input guys

bigdave1701 05-07-2018 05:50 AM

I had looked at the Kraken but the Wastegate connector looks really small like its half the size it should be

Thanks

timbomfg 05-07-2018 07:11 AM

What wastegate connector? The Kraken T25 kit doesn't have a mount for an external wastegate AFAIK?

timbomfg 05-07-2018 07:14 AM

And for what it's worth, i paid £650 or so for my RS, and im about £2k into my boost build to "do it properly" as its a daily driver.

I'd also sack off the emanage personally and look at an MS3 or ME221, they are LIGHTYEARS ahead of the emange IMHO. I'm personally running an MSLabs MS3 Mini which has been an utter JOY to use.

bigdave1701 05-07-2018 07:41 AM

Yeah looking at it the emanage was a poor choice
 
Another good price for my emanage but with the harness issue I would have just got the MS issue is I have the emanage now gutted

18psi 05-07-2018 10:59 AM


Originally Posted by bigdave1701 (Post 1480653)
I got the car for £600 its basically my play with car didnt want to put 3k into it or i would have just bought a car with a turbo running 2 cars at the min have 3 kids so have the family car and then this. Not saying the Kraken kits not worth buying just wanted to try and use this one i scored for. I aint exactly cheaping out im about to shell out $400 for the emanage harness guess its worth using that money towards this first.

Cheers for the input guys

You still don't understand.
Smart people buy quality items because they retain value, because they continue to work. So at the end, you can get some of your money back.

Fools buy cheap unreliable junk, and when it breaks/fails, it requires constant upkeep which costs money and/or time, and in the end it's worthless.

No one will want your ebay junk or emanage junk when you realize how terrible it is and move on. And if your idea of "fun" is constantly fixing faulty parts, then by all means you're on the right path.

bigdave1701 05-07-2018 11:22 AM

Shitty
 
things

WigglingWaffles 05-07-2018 11:24 AM

Buy it right or buy it twice.
putting turbo parts on is only exciting once, replacing them after is just a hassle. If youre in the UK, i highly suggest Kraken parts due to quality and reasonable price (lead times can be something to shake a stick at, however)

18psi 05-07-2018 11:32 AM


Originally Posted by bigdave1701 (Post 1480691)
im slightly confused why I’m being made to feel shitty for trying to not divert food from my kids mouths into a turbo build I’m speaking with a guy about getting the kraken kit point taken it’s not good to use cheap parts but not exactly sure bullying is necessary to convince me my idea is a poor one. Genuinely feel like selling my car and just leaving the whole thing if this is what Miata is all about. Really really disappointed and honestly upset

wow.
So you're having trouble putting food on the table and think it's smart to waste money on cheap junk parts?

I feel sorry for your kids. They deserve better.

Girz0r 05-07-2018 11:36 AM


Originally Posted by skylinecalvin (Post 1480642)
From what I've seen, those ebay manifolds are cheap for a reason. If you think the Kraken Kit "aint cheap" then I don't think you should be turboing a car this point in your life. Kraken's Kit and MKTurbo's Kit are basically the cheapest you can reliably go.


Originally Posted by bigdave1701 (Post 1480653)
I got the car for £600 its basically my play with car didnt want to put 3k into it or i would have just bought a car with a turbo running 2 cars at the min have 3 kids so have the family car and then this. Not saying the Kraken kits not worth buying just wanted to try and use this one i scored for. I aint exactly cheaping out im about to shell out $400 for the emanage harness guess its worth using that money towards this first.

Cheers for the input guys


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1480688)
You still don't understand.
Smart people buy quality items because they retain value, because they continue to work. So at the end, you can get some of your money back.

Fools buy cheap unreliable junk, and when it breaks/fails, it requires constant upkeep which costs money and/or time, and in the end it's worthless.

No one will want your ebay junk or emanage junk when you realize how terrible it is and move on. And if your idea of "fun" is constantly fixing faulty parts, then by all means you're on the right path.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/5035...temid=4862594?

In all honest opinion... Staph and drop everything that you're doing. AND DO IT RIGHT, or you're going to have a bad time. Cut your losses with the junk already purchased and start over.

But, if this is just a tinker toy for learning the hard way then have at it. In the end you will end up spending more money at this rate for sub par results. :burncash:


Originally Posted by bigdave1701 (Post 1480691)
im slightly confused why I’m being made to feel shitty for trying to not divert food from my kids mouths into a turbo build I’m speaking with a guy about getting the kraken kit point taken it’s not good to use cheap parts but not exactly sure bullying is necessary to convince me my idea is a poor one. Genuinely feel like selling my car and just leaving the whole thing if this is what Miata is all about. Really really disappointed and honestly upset

If this is the case and you still want to pursue building up a turbo miata, slow down and take your time with higher quality parts. Grabbing whatever comes your way shows no thought in planning or research into what you're buying. Heed the warnings and take note, not the first rodeo for the majority of users on this site.

bigdave1701 05-07-2018 11:36 AM

Wow pretty shocked if I’m totally honest thank you

bigdave1701 05-07-2018 11:38 AM

Yeah
 
I’m defo hearing the voice of reason in regards to my build not sure about all the voices in my head right now but defo feel like I’m going to go for the kraken

18psi 05-07-2018 11:38 AM


Originally Posted by bigdave1701 (Post 1480698)
Wow pretty shocked if I’m totally honest thank you

So are we.

Originally Posted by bigdave1701 (Post 1480699)
I’m defo hearing the voice of reason in regards to my build not sure about all the voices in my head right now but defo feel like I’m going to go for the kraken

So are you shocked and appalled or actually starting to see that what we're saying is actually helpful?

Joe Perez 05-07-2018 11:42 AM


Originally Posted by bigdave1701 (Post 1480691)
im slightly confused why I’m being made to feel shitty for trying to not divert food from my kids mouths into a turbo build

Since you seem to be somewhat attached to your kids, or at least concerned for their well-being, perhaps you could divert food from the mouths of other peoples' children?

Granted, the laws here get a bit cumbersome, but it seems preferable to buying a manifold that's just going to crack in a few months.

bigdave1701 05-07-2018 11:42 AM

Both
 
Ok so looking over things in this thread and I have started to see psi’s point of view do a better build get less problems sell kids buy better parts. Lol plan sorts thank you

18psi 05-07-2018 11:43 AM

:)

y8s 05-07-2018 11:46 AM


Originally Posted by bigdave1701 (Post 1480691)
im slightly confused why I’m being made to feel shitty for trying to not divert food from my kids mouths into a turbo build I’m speaking with a guy about getting the kraken kit point taken it’s not good to use cheap parts but not exactly sure bullying is necessary to convince me my idea is a poor one. Genuinely feel like selling my car and just leaving the whole thing if this is what Miata is all about. Really really disappointed and honestly upset

big dave, you have to understand something about a few of the people on this forum: they have trouble expressing themselves constructively.

I understand you may have to make short term financial sacrifices and miss out on potential longer term benefits. Weigh your options and decide if the choice you made is the right way to go.

In the long run, you need to determine if saving money (and yeah, a project car is never a cheap investment) is worth the extra work and addressing problems later.

Most importantly, don't let the stuff you already purchased make the decision. Sure it's a pain to return/sell/exchange it for something else, but if it's truly not the right choice, don't stick with it just because you can touch it.

sixshooter 05-07-2018 12:11 PM

If things are really that tight for you then you probably need to defer spending money on a toy car and instead invest in additional training and furthering your career opportunities. I'm not joking. This is something that can wait. Make sure that you have an emergency fund and are saving for your eventual retirement or paying off your permanent dwelling. If you are renting, the money would be better be suited to saving for down payment for a purchase of a home.

bigdave1701 05-07-2018 12:21 PM

Cash
 
Nah dude cash is good I was using it more as a expression of other maybe more important things to waste my money on but after hearing the voice of reason and psi lol I think a larger monetary investment in my build will be worthwhile.

I will I’ll be totally honest watched broke and boosted and thought why not try it clearly not a good idea or at least shouldn’t mention the cheapness of one build on here and defo not infront of psi haha

bigdave1701 05-07-2018 12:24 PM


Originally Posted by y8s (Post 1480704)
big dave, you have to understand something about a few of the people on this forum: they have trouble expressing themselves constructively.

I understand you may have to make short term financial sacrifices and miss out on potential longer term benefits. Weigh your options and decide if the choice you made is the right way to go.

In the long run, you need to determine if saving money (and yeah, a project car is never a cheap investment) is worth the extra work and addressing problems later.

Most importantly, don't let the stuff you already purchased make the decision. Sure it's a pain to return/sell/exchange it for something else, but if it's truly not the right choice, don't stick with it just because you can touch it.

that all made allot of sense thank you

sixshooter 05-07-2018 12:44 PM

What you don't see in broke and boosted is that it's broken more than its boosted. Lots and lots of remedial repair work isn't apparent in the video series.

bigdave1701 05-07-2018 12:55 PM

Yeah had a feeling that was maybe some he case he loves this site. And was watching a video last night where he mentioned how rubbish his manifold was kind of looked and thought I don’t want my one falling to bits and shredding my turbo

WigglingWaffles 05-07-2018 01:51 PM


Originally Posted by sixshooter (Post 1480727)
What you don't see in broke and boosted is that it's broken more than its boosted. Lots and lots of remedial repair work isn't apparent in the video series.

my favorite part of the series was when he scrapped the whole setup for megasquirt and outlined how it was the proper way to do it from the start. But somehow everyone always manages to glaze over that bit

bigdave1701 05-07-2018 01:59 PM


Originally Posted by WigglingWaffles (Post 1480746)
my favorite part of the series was when he scrapped the whole setup for megasquirt and outlined how it was the proper way to do it from the start. But somehow everyone always manages to glaze over that bit

I defo got that and defo noticed the manifold change it definitely got me thinking am I doing the right thing here I have really fallen for the car got it without papers so a massive risk but accidentally bought the bulbs for this car 4 weeks before I owned or even thought about owning one so it was fate.

Built a custom sub/wind deflector
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...c17dfa33c.jpeg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...d8dc63286.jpeg

bigdave1701 05-07-2018 02:02 PM

Not sure I would want psi to see this lol
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...b2ede2d9d.jpeg

Girz0r 05-07-2018 02:08 PM

Although that's interesting and different...

You're more likely to be bashed for the mouse trap 'roll bar'. :eek:

bigdave1701 05-07-2018 02:12 PM


Originally Posted by Girz0r (Post 1480751)
Although that's interesting and different...

You're more likely to be bashed for the mouse trap 'roll bar'. :eek:

haha yeah your probably right defo prefer the rollcage looks amazing will change and fit something into that at some point

bigdave1701 05-07-2018 02:17 PM

Thank you
 
Anyway going off topic thank you for the advice and input defo going to invest in a stronger manifold and matching downpipe

Girz0r 05-07-2018 02:19 PM


Originally Posted by bigdave1701 (Post 1480752)


haha yeah your probably right defo prefer the rollcage looks amazing will change and fit something into that at some point

If you can grab one, Moti makes some high quality bars that will fit with your top. I believe you can have the option for the logo, and he can powdercoat the bar in a number of colors.

Revlimiter's blog goes over his experience on installing one.

http://revlimiter.net/blog/wp-conten.../DSC_9891.jpg?

Google Images - Blackbird Fabworx GT3 - More images.

bigdave1701 05-07-2018 02:20 PM


Originally Posted by Girz0r (Post 1480754)
If you can grab one, Moti makes some high quality bars that will fit with your top. I believe you can have the option for the logo, and he can powdercoat the bar in a number of colors.

Revlimiter's blog goes over his experience on installing one.

http://revlimiter.net/blog/wp-conten.../DSC_9891.jpg?

Is that yours it’s epic

bigdave1701 05-07-2018 02:23 PM

Olderguy
 
How do I get a o2 clamp by the way I have heard someone on here makes them

sixshooter 05-07-2018 02:49 PM


Originally Posted by bigdave1701 (Post 1480756)
How do I get a o2 clamp by the way I have heard someone on here makes them

Not needed with a standalone.

bigdave1701 05-07-2018 02:56 PM


Originally Posted by sixshooter (Post 1480759)
Not needed with a standalone.

Sweet didn’t think emanage blue could do it still going to run that for a while

Joe Perez 05-07-2018 03:06 PM


Originally Posted by bigdave1701 (Post 1480760)
Sweet didn’t think emanage blue could do it still going to run that for a while

By "still going to run that for a while," am I properly interpreting that you intend to install a Greddy eManage Blue as the engine management solution in a new build?


To answer your question, yeah, I was one of a couple of folks who made and sold O2 sensor clamps for a while; mine were specific to the eManage series. I stopped building them years ago, because people stopped using shitty piggyback ECUs.

18psi 05-07-2018 03:10 PM

:laugh:

bigdave1701 05-07-2018 03:34 PM


Originally Posted by Joe Perez (Post 1480765)
By "still going to run that for a while," am I properly interpreting that you intend to install a Greddy eManage Blue as the engine management solution in a new build?


To answer your question, yeah, I was one of a couple of folks who made and sold O2 sensor clamps for a while; mine were specific to the eManage series. I stopped building them years ago, because people stopped using shitty piggyback ECUs.

Got any spare laid around I may need one haha and don’t laugh psi I like the emanage blue it’s blue it’s my favourite colour it must have some kind of benefit based on that.

Promise i I will upgrade to the squirt at some point

sixshooter 05-07-2018 03:49 PM

The emanage blue is not a standalone.
I'm sorry. I thought we were Beyond the idea of using an emanage blue. Carry on.

bigdave1701 05-07-2018 04:19 PM

Probably going to end up sacking that off 2 and use the same shit story the guy I bought this off had that he had sold the car and was no longer needed lol

concealer404 05-07-2018 04:26 PM

https://data.whicdn.com/images/59742072/original.gif

sixshooter 05-07-2018 04:28 PM

I would frankly use an ms1 before I would use an emanage or Band-Aids. One could likely be found for the same price.

concealer404 05-07-2018 04:38 PM

I would rather just return my car to stock.

bigdave1701 05-07-2018 04:50 PM

Would love to build one myself looks interesting. I can get a MS v2.2 for £150

sixshooter 05-07-2018 05:02 PM


Originally Posted by bigdave1701 (Post 1480795)
Would love to build one myself looks interesting. I can get a MS v2.2 for £150

And it would be a valuable learning experience

shuiend 05-07-2018 05:08 PM


Originally Posted by bigdave1701 (Post 1480795)
Would love to build one myself looks interesting. I can get a MS v2.2 for £150

trubokitty.com go there and then build your self a MS3X. Also you need to go read my sticky thread on the 6 steps to turbo your miata.

bigdave1701 05-07-2018 05:08 PM

I think I need to slow down do more research on here and make a list of what I want before I go pissing away any more money on crap

bigdave1701 05-07-2018 05:09 PM


Originally Posted by shuiend (Post 1480800)
trubokitty.com go there and then build your self a MS3X. Also you need to go read my sticky thread on the 6 steps to turbo your miata.

That’s awesome thank you

bigdave1701 05-07-2018 05:32 PM

Is it worth starting with this board

bigdave1701 05-07-2018 05:32 PM


Joe Perez 05-07-2018 07:02 PM


Originally Posted by bigdave1701 (Post 1480810)
Is it worth starting with this board

While that board is cheap, the CPU module that you need to plug into it to make it do anything useful (the MS3Pro Module) costs US$900, and based on what you've told us, I assume this to be outside of your budget. https://www.diyautotune.com/product/ms3-pro-module/

bigdave1701 05-07-2018 07:06 PM


Originally Posted by Joe Perez (Post 1480825)
While that board is cheap, the CPU module that you need to plug into it to make it do anything useful (the MS3Pro Module) costs US$900, and based on what you've told us, I assume this to be outside of your budget. https://www.diyautotune.com/product/ms3-pro-module/

I think I just need to change my budget mate thanks for the share though just looking to get as much info as I can

skylinecalvin 05-07-2018 08:36 PM


Originally Posted by bigdave1701 (Post 1480827)


I think I just need to change my budget mate thanks for the share though just looking to get as much info as I can

If you wanna build one, why not go for a DIYPNP and follow these instructions https://trubokitty.com/?

https://www.diyautotune.com/product/...assembled-kit/

catalyst 05-08-2018 11:12 PM

Yeah, I am using a DIYPNP for 6 months or so. the assembly instructions were clear and support is pretty good. lots of help right here on the forum. been working out great for me


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