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Braineack 05-03-2016 08:27 AM


Originally Posted by ipwnedx (Post 1328489)
rudniks trying to prove his point on how you can boost with no tune, lol. jokes

that was something proved back in 1990...

he's not proving anything. You act like none of us have run an FMU before...


This site literally started as a Greddy kit modification site--the only afford turbo "kit" for a miata at the time. It consisted of a shitty manifold that cracked constantly. A shitty turbo that spooled like shit and couldn't hold boost to redline. A short charge pipe that connected to the stock accordion. A short 2" DP that connected to the stock midpipe. A 12:1 Vortech FMU. An oil feed. and about (6) feet of oil return hose.

https://www.miataturbo.net/bgracer/GReddyFAQ.htm

yossi126 05-03-2016 08:29 AM

He was born many years later.. Some of his videos are very misleading .
He was going WOT at 16 afr and callet it "mint" or something.

NBoost 05-03-2016 11:39 AM


Originally Posted by x_25 (Post 1328462)
I duno, if it is built by someone who know's what they are doing (Say a pair of turbo engineers from mazda) it can be done stupidly and cheaply. Apparently this one lasted 130ish track hours at ~180ish RWHP with a RRFPR and a Bipes.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1462227407

Of course it did, heat was probably never an issue with this thing. One way to cool a track miata: Place all turbo components "up and out", a-la hood delete.

Wow

Braineack 05-03-2016 11:43 AM


One way to cool a track miata: Place all turbo components "up and out", a-la hood delete.
the turbo manifold is the stock header flipped around.

cooling the engine bay means little to fucking nothing. No one gives a shit about underhood temps except drifters with hood risers. What he did with his radiator is what's actually impressive.




I duno, if it is built by someone who know's what they are doing (Say a pair of turbo engineers from mazda) it can be done stupidly and cheaply
Frankenmiata had a build thread here, he used to be a active senior member of this site. He literally works for Garrett Turbos.

https://www.miataturbo.net/build-thr...ons-car-25699/

Savington 05-03-2016 11:44 AM


Originally Posted by 90civichhb (Post 1328555)
over 270whp on a stock 1.6L with a 2554r is pretty impressive.

SAE-corrected Dynojet proof, please

deezums 05-03-2016 11:46 AM

derp

https://www.miataturbo.net/dynos-tim...attempt-87880/

Savington 05-03-2016 12:00 PM


Originally Posted by deezums (Post 1328614)

Billet compressor wheel is kind of an important detail. Sort of like putting BNR 20G internals in an MSM turbo, making 350whp, and then calling it an "MSM turbo".

ryansmoneypit 05-03-2016 12:06 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1328610)
the turbo manifold is the stock header flipped around.

cooling the engine bay means little to fucking nothing. No one gives a shit about underhood temps except drifters with hood risers. What he did with his radiator is what's actually impressive.





Frankenmiata had a build thread here, he used to be a active senior member of this site. He literally works for Garrett Turbos.

https://www.miataturbo.net/build-thr...ons-car-25699/

I was wondering why you guys were so very quiet about this one...

deezums 05-03-2016 12:42 PM


Originally Posted by Savington (Post 1328621)
Billet compressor wheel is kind of an important detail. Sort of like putting BNR 20G internals in an MSM turbo, making 350whp, and then calling it an "MSM turbo".

The fuck are you getting mad at me for? Search for yourself next time instead, jackass.

Braineack 05-03-2016 12:42 PM

hemad?

NBoost 05-03-2016 05:05 PM


Originally Posted by Savington (Post 1328621)
Billet compressor wheel is kind of an important detail. Sort of like putting BNR 20G internals in an MSM turbo, making 350whp, and then calling it an "MSM turbo".

Laz-car

18psi 05-03-2016 05:31 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1328286)
This build represents everything us senior members here worked so hard for, for you minions not to ever have to repeat or go through yourselves, back when we founded this site in 2005/6. Back when you could only buy a FM or GReddy turbo kit. Back when you didn't have 20 ECU options. Back when we were still trying to fine-tune FMUs and fuel pressure. Back when we were building o2-clamps and custom autotuning features for the EMB. Back when the best injector you could run for a miata was a leaky 550cc Rx7 injector. Back when we were tuning the clockspring in AFMs and replacing them with Rx7 AFMs. Back when we started running chinachargers. Back when we figured out how to easily run COP setups. Back when we started making 3" exhausts the norm for boosted miatas. Back when we figured out the best Magnaflow Muffler to use. Back we we figured out the best suspension setups and broke all the conventional "wisdom" from m.net. Hell even the MS3 firmware today has features and improvements DIRECTLY as result from this site.

My signature on this site used to be: I fail so you don't have to.

All he doing is using all the shit hardware that we've all already tried, tested, and written off; but we didn't do it to impress our drifter friends on YT. He might be doing it for fun, but there are dumbasses like the OP here that want to replicate this shitty, failure-prone, joke of a build, just to save $100.

It's insulting to us founding members of this site that are still around and made turboing a miata WAY too easy for you guys and you still wanna go back to primitive shit parts. Spoiled little "broke" fucking children who haven't even fucking graduated HS yet.

brb flying to Varginaia to give you a bro-hug cause that was so beautiful

*edit: reminded me of this

1993z32 05-03-2016 05:55 PM

For those who haven't watched a lot of the videos, I actually recommend coming here to this forum to get more information on turbocharging, and have linked the "All Your Questions" thread countless times. With or without the videos, people are going to run crap turbo setups. Do you really have THAT big of a problem with people running 150whp safely on FMU/Stock ECU setups? A lot of people (a LOTTTT) come to me with questions every single day about turbo setups, and I constantly recommend building the car the 'proper' way, the behind the scenes stuff that nobody else sees (although I'm sure you think my other car is crap too). I spend a ton of my free time giving out information that I took the time to learn here because a lot of people hate this place with a passion (even though they are missing out on a wealth of information). The sole mission of my YouTube channel is not building a crap turbo Miata; which is why I spend hours every week doing an array of other videos as well. My channel provides a friendly environment for people to come to for help on their builds, and give people confidence about working on their own cars. And to show people that you DON'T need 250whp, you DON'T need a 1.8, and you DON'T need a high dollar build just to have FUN. I learn from other people, from my own videos, from my own mistakes, and from my own wasted time and money to make an attempt at putting good information out to people. I've filmed and re-filmed multiple videos because I made a mistake because I take pride in the work I do. It's far from perfect and I know that. But making videos on YT to impress my friends? Get real.

/rant

Good day sirs,
Greg / TheCarPassionChannel

Girz0r 05-03-2016 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 1993z32 (Post 1328727)
For those who haven't watched a lot of the videos, I actually recommend coming here to this forum to get more information on turbocharging, and have linked the "All Your Questions" thread countless times. With or without the videos, people are going to run crap turbo setups. Do you really have THAT big of a problem with people running 150whp safely on FMU/Stock ECU setups?

Stock ECU anything not already programmed for boost, Yes

A lot of people (a LOTTTT) come to me with questions every single day about turbo setups, and I constantly recommend building the car the 'proper' way, the behind the scenes stuff that nobody else sees (although I'm sure you think my other car is crap too).

Not really...

I spend a ton of my free time giving out information that I took the time to learn here because a lot of people hate this place with a passion (even though they are missing out on a wealth of information).

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1462317368

The sole mission of my YouTube channel is not building a crap turbo Miata; which is why I spend hours every week doing an array of other videos as well. My channel provides a friendly environment for people to come to for help on their builds, and give people confidence about working on their own cars. And to show people that you DON'T need 250whp, you DON'T need a 1.8, and you DON'T need a high dollar build just to have FUN.

All points are valid, though it's the doing it incorrectly even if you're doing it as cheap as possible. I've come to known MT as hate of failure, simply because of the wealth of current information available.

I learn from other people, from my own videos, from my own mistakes, and from my own wasted time and money to make an attempt at putting good information out to people. I've filmed and re-filmed multiple videos because I made a mistake because I take pride in the work I do. It's far from perfect and I know that. But making videos on YT to impress my friends? Get real.

We appreciate your efforts on spreading correct how-to information. In sort of a proxy way, you became the YT noob buffer. :dunno: Most hate MT, because they want to be spoon fed and don't do any real research on their own. :eggplant:

/rant

Good day sirs,
Greg / TheCarPassionChannel

:party:

Savington 05-03-2016 07:16 PM


Originally Posted by deezums (Post 1328634)
The fuck are you getting mad at me for? Search for yourself next time instead, jackass.

I'm not mad at you at all, but it's odd that you think I am. You seem to have a bit of a hard-on for me based on this post and a few others. What's your deal?

Braineack 05-03-2016 08:56 PM

Your build and channel is fine, I just like to hate. :riaa:

I wish you had done the broke and boosted build a bit differently--shown how cheap and easy one can do it using semi-decent parts--but that's me.

turbofan 05-03-2016 09:12 PM


Originally Posted by Savington (Post 1328742)
I'm not mad at you at all, but it's odd that you think I am. You seem to have a bit of a hard-on for me based on this post and a few others. What's your deal?

Deezums seems to be a bit on edge lately. Maybe collaborating with Aidan is finally getting to him :giggle:

18psi 05-03-2016 09:18 PM


Originally Posted by 1993z32 (Post 1328727)
For those who haven't watched a lot of the videos, I actually recommend coming here to this forum to get more information on turbocharging, and have linked the "All Your Questions" thread countless times. With or without the videos, people are going to run crap turbo setups. Do you really have THAT big of a problem with people running 150whp safely on FMU/Stock ECU setups? A lot of people (a LOTTTT) come to me with questions every single day about turbo setups, and I constantly recommend building the car the 'proper' way, the behind the scenes stuff that nobody else sees (although I'm sure you think my other car is crap too). I spend a ton of my free time giving out information that I took the time to learn here because a lot of people hate this place with a passion (even though they are missing out on a wealth of information). The sole mission of my YouTube channel is not building a crap turbo Miata; which is why I spend hours every week doing an array of other videos as well. My channel provides a friendly environment for people to come to for help on their builds, and give people confidence about working on their own cars. And to show people that you DON'T need 250whp, you DON'T need a 1.8, and you DON'T need a high dollar build just to have FUN. I learn from other people, from my own videos, from my own mistakes, and from my own wasted time and money to make an attempt at putting good information out to people. I've filmed and re-filmed multiple videos because I made a mistake because I take pride in the work I do. It's far from perfect and I know that. But making videos on YT to impress my friends? Get real.

/rant

Good day sirs,
Greg / TheCarPassionChannel

Their hatered is a compliment to this forum. We pride ourselves of being pretty much the last of our kind.

Bad things happen when you blur the line between subjective and objective.
Nothing against you personally, but I'm curious:
What happens when the next batch of morons think $200 is way too high of a budget to turbo a miata? Who makes the call ultimately?

It blows my mind how low the standard can continually be re-set. It's why this country is going down the toilet.

1993z32 05-03-2016 09:48 PM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1328772)
Their hatered is a compliment to this forum. We pride ourselves of being pretty much the last of our kind.

Bad things happen when you blur the line between subjective and objective.
Nothing against you personally, but I'm curious:
What happens when the next batch of morons think $200 is way too high of a budget to turbo a miata? Who makes the call ultimately?

It blows my mind how low the standard can continually be re-set. It's why this country is going down the toilet.

I agree with you 100%. This forum is the only one of its kind, and the greatest source of turbo Miata information on the internet. I enjoy and value greatly the *CIVIL* criticism because you guys are the real gurus. My mind is blown every time someone asks me how much something on my 'main' car costs, and they say it's far too expensive. If you can't see the value in an $800 standalone or a $600 roll bar, you might want to re-think your hobby. I had some guy trying to show me that his XXR's were "real XXR's" to prove he could afford 'good' parts. I didn't know whether to laugh or nod my head and cry later. And others that tell me they only have $150 and need to buy a turbo unless they wait until their next paycheck. If you only have $150 in your bank account, a turbo is not what you need to be buying. Anyways I'm going off on a tangent.

TL;DR: There is definitely a line somewhere. Corners can be cut, and this series is proving to be a learning experience for me as well about finding where it is with my own hands. I'm planning on doing a "What I Would Do Differently" video of sorts when the project is finished, but I'll have to beat on it for a while to figure out what I'll include. :likecat:

18psi 05-03-2016 09:50 PM

:likecat:


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