Thoughts on Broke n Boosted? Budget Turbo Series
 

What are your guys' thoughts on Broke n Boosted? This is a series directed towards broke miata drivers who want boost. Budget I believe is just a little above $1000.



It's honestly not that bad in my opinion.

however my concern is the manifold, Mazworx - Mazworx Log Manifold Kit, 4 Cylinder #LOG4

$130 mani, seems a little iffy.
Also god knows what downpipe would correctly match it.

Eh, your guys' thoughts?

On the topic of the mani, you're just paying for weldels and a couple flanges, there isn't labor or R&D going into it so I think 130 seems fine. Should hold up as long as it is welded well. And if youre already having to weld up a mani, you probably have the resources to build a downpipe.

Maybe it's just me, but if you're really on such a tight budget, you probably need to spend money on other things besides boosting your car. I think it's a solid series overall, and a cool exercise, but I don't think I'd recommend boosting on such a small budget. The engine management sketches me out more than any of the hardware he's running.

I like the series, its very fun to watch. and some what informative.

If you watch more episodes, he decides against the weld el's and gets a cast ebay manifold, then re taps the T3 into a t25 bolt pattern.

I thought his complete FAIL with the T3 --> T25 adapter plate was a hilarious.

Lol this is the guy that Braineack has made fun of multiple times. I like the series, but he does really stupid stuff to save a buck. Stuff that ends up costing him more money in the end.

It's just for the fun of it. His daily is more serious.

This build represents everything us senior members here worked so hard for, for you minions not to ever have to repeat or go through yourselves, back when we founded this site in 2005/6. Back when you could only buy a FM or GReddy turbo kit. Back when you didn't have 20 ECU options. Back when we were still trying to fine-tune FMUs and fuel pressure. Back when we were building o2-clamps and custom autotuning features for the EMB. Back when the best injector you could run for a miata was a leaky 550cc Rx7 injector. Back when we were tuning the clockspring in AFMs and replacing them with Rx7 AFMs. Back when we started running chinachargers. Back when we figured out how to easily run COP setups. Back when we started making 3" exhausts the norm for boosted miatas. Back when we figured out the best Magnaflow Muffler to use. Back we we figured out the best suspension setups and broke all the conventional "wisdom" from m.net. Hell even the MS3 firmware today has features and improvements DIRECTLY as result from this site.

My signature on this site used to be: I fail so you don't have to.

All he doing is using all the shit hardware that we've all already tried, tested, and written off; but we didn't do it to impress our drifter friends on YT. He might be doing it for fun, but there are dumbasses like the OP here that want to replicate this shitty, failure-prone, joke of a build, just to save $100.

It's insulting to us founding members of this site that are still around and made turboing a miata WAY too easy for you guys and you still wanna go back to primitive shit parts. Spoiled little "broke" fucking children who haven't even fucking graduated HS yet.

:laugh:

THAT was the sound of the gavel. This court is adjourned.

Like this trash:

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1462214681


Bets on weather the master melts or PVC charge pipes melt first?

The fish tank tubing to what I imagine must be a boost gauge, is frickin sweeeet! It goes well with the crushed air filter, shoehorned between the MAF and the clutch master cyl.

Broke and walking

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1462217033

I duno, if it is built by someone who know's what they are doing (Say a pair of turbo engineers from mazda) it can be done stupidly and cheaply. Apparently this one lasted 130ish track hours at ~180ish RWHP with a RRFPR and a Bipes.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1462227407


https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1462227407

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1462227407

Well at least we have seen a few examples of just how shitty a turbo install can look.

130 hours or minutes? Track or traaaaaack time?

The winshield washer hose zip tied to the wiper arm is rad.

Hours. And it ran lemons.

Project Frankenmiata

They had buddies with a dyno that they were alowed to use for tuning and testing, got it.all dialed in, then removed the fancy test and measuring equiptment for the races.

Also, the engine was built from four junk engines worth of parts.

Ok, ok..it's the whole get drunk, build junk and race the shit out of it. I get it. But your broke and boosted customer isn't spending hours on a dyno. That would have cost more than the project.

rudniks trying to prove his point on how you can boost with no tune, lol. jokes

Lemons is rule restricted. The other tards are stupid on purpose.

I've followed Greg for awhile and really like his daily build. He has put some real time and effort into it and over 270whp on a stock 1.6L with a 2554r is pretty impressive. The broke and boosted series is comical and I find more of a novelty than a guide.

Read this board, use the search function, pay attention to the people that have been here for a long time and read past the jaded attitude you get often from them, there is knowledge between the lines. Stupid questions come up daily that can be answered with a single word search. If you can get past the sarcasm and take a few hits you will find that your build will be more reliable, people more willing to help, and you will have spent less in the long run. After that, give back to the community a bit. There are some very intelligent people here that give you great data... FOR FREE! Not going to find that level of involvement in many car forums.

that was something proved back in 1990...

he's not proving anything. You act like none of us have run an FMU before...


This site literally started as a Greddy kit modification site--the only afford turbo "kit" for a miata at the time. It consisted of a shitty manifold that cracked constantly. A shitty turbo that spooled like shit and couldn't hold boost to redline. A short charge pipe that connected to the stock accordion. A short 2" DP that connected to the stock midpipe. A 12:1 Vortech FMU. An oil feed. and about (6) feet of oil return hose.

https://www.miataturbo.net/bgracer/GReddyFAQ.htm

He was born many years later.. Some of his videos are very misleading .
He was going WOT at 16 afr and callet it "mint" or something.

Of course it did, heat was probably never an issue with this thing. One way to cool a track miata: Place all turbo components "up and out", a-la hood delete.

Wow

the turbo manifold is the stock header flipped around.

cooling the engine bay means little to fucking nothing. No one gives a shit about underhood temps except drifters with hood risers. What he did with his radiator is what's actually impressive.



Frankenmiata had a build thread here, he used to be a active senior member of this site. He literally works for Garrett Turbos.

https://www.miataturbo.net/build-thr...ons-car-25699/

SAE-corrected Dynojet proof, please

derp

https://www.miataturbo.net/dynos-tim...attempt-87880/

Billet compressor wheel is kind of an important detail. Sort of like putting BNR 20G internals in an MSM turbo, making 350whp, and then calling it an "MSM turbo".

I was wondering why you guys were so very quiet about this one...

The fuck are you getting mad at me for? Search for yourself next time instead, jackass.

hemad?

Laz-car

brb flying to Varginaia to give you a bro-hug cause that was so beautiful

*edit: reminded me of this

For those who haven't watched a lot of the videos, I actually recommend coming here to this forum to get more information on turbocharging, and have linked the "All Your Questions" thread countless times. With or without the videos, people are going to run crap turbo setups. Do you really have THAT big of a problem with people running 150whp safely on FMU/Stock ECU setups? A lot of people (a LOTTTT) come to me with questions every single day about turbo setups, and I constantly recommend building the car the 'proper' way, the behind the scenes stuff that nobody else sees (although I'm sure you think my other car is crap too). I spend a ton of my free time giving out information that I took the time to learn here because a lot of people hate this place with a passion (even though they are missing out on a wealth of information). The sole mission of my YouTube channel is not building a crap turbo Miata; which is why I spend hours every week doing an array of other videos as well. My channel provides a friendly environment for people to come to for help on their builds, and give people confidence about working on their own cars. And to show people that you DON'T need 250whp, you DON'T need a 1.8, and you DON'T need a high dollar build just to have FUN. I learn from other people, from my own videos, from my own mistakes, and from my own wasted time and money to make an attempt at putting good information out to people. I've filmed and re-filmed multiple videos because I made a mistake because I take pride in the work I do. It's far from perfect and I know that. But making videos on YT to impress my friends? Get real.

/rant

Good day sirs,
Greg / TheCarPassionChannel

:party:

I'm not mad at you at all, but it's odd that you think I am. You seem to have a bit of a hard-on for me based on this post and a few others. What's your deal?

Your build and channel is fine, I just like to hate. :riaa:

I wish you had done the broke and boosted build a bit differently--shown how cheap and easy one can do it using semi-decent parts--but that's me.

Deezums seems to be a bit on edge lately. Maybe collaborating with Aidan is finally getting to him :giggle:

Their hatered is a compliment to this forum. We pride ourselves of being pretty much the last of our kind.

Bad things happen when you blur the line between subjective and objective.
Nothing against you personally, but I'm curious:
What happens when the next batch of morons think $200 is way too high of a budget to turbo a miata? Who makes the call ultimately?

It blows my mind how low the standard can continually be re-set. It's why this country is going down the toilet.

I agree with you 100%. This forum is the only one of its kind, and the greatest source of turbo Miata information on the internet. I enjoy and value greatly the *CIVIL* criticism because you guys are the real gurus. My mind is blown every time someone asks me how much something on my 'main' car costs, and they say it's far too expensive. If you can't see the value in an $800 standalone or a $600 roll bar, you might want to re-think your hobby. I had some guy trying to show me that his XXR's were "real XXR's" to prove he could afford 'good' parts. I didn't know whether to laugh or nod my head and cry later. And others that tell me they only have $150 and need to buy a turbo unless they wait until their next paycheck. If you only have $150 in your bank account, a turbo is not what you need to be buying. Anyways I'm going off on a tangent.

TL;DR: There is definitely a line somewhere. Corners can be cut, and this series is proving to be a learning experience for me as well about finding where it is with my own hands. I'm planning on doing a "What I Would Do Differently" video of sorts when the project is finished, but I'll have to beat on it for a while to figure out what I'll include. :likecat:

:likecat:

All joking aside, I'm not sure where he's coming from with it. I know I piss people off, and usually it's intentional, but I genuinely don't know what I did to piss him off. Maybe I did something and forgot, who knows. I just don't think his vitriol towards me is warranted.

So for the past few months that I've been on this site it really hits you how rough and ragged this community really is, which in all honesty makes it a lot more unique. Which in a really big way, wads off 95% of the new members because they are too stupid to use a search bar and I get that. From another stand point you can look at the demographics of who is buying Miata's now a days and looking to modify them, in all reality the days of spirited driving enthusiasts who would spend hours researching what coil overs would give them the best performance regardless of the price, are over or on M.net to rephrase. They have now been replaced with people who come here and see "MiataTurbo.net" and think "Wow turbo!!1!!!1" start a thread and say "Heyyyy This iz my yata and it has xxrs and racelands and im wondering if I can Uze this ebay manifold" and then the murderators promptly offer to shipping a gun to end their pathetic life and said OP finds CR. Then people come on here to wonder where is an acceptable place to skimp money wise, and still people will tell them to read more. In all honesty you could disable all accounts and archive this whole site and it would still get just as much traffic because of how established this community is. For those who can see through the flak and collect their shit to build a "budget" turbo set up, like myself, find themselves questioning whether it was better to just cash out and spare no expense. Some times I wish I got MS2PNP or MS3x or even hydra, but my car does start and run everyday to and from school on MS1. So does my Tacoburrito old begi cast ripoff, does it flow as good as a begi or fm cast? No. The point that I'm trying to portray is that there is a fine line between being a critic and an asshole, between being a cheapo and a true DIY-er. Will everyone walk that fine line? Hell no. For every acceptable budget turbo setup, there is about 10 more using bipes and an fmu. Is it acceptable for Greg to take his car and try and turbocharge it for $1000 and broadcast it to all the youtube poopheads who own 240k, 20 year old, rust bucket Miata's? Which makes brain and every other senior member cringe and goes against everything they've worked to do? Its a tough call, like finding a kitty wandering about, you don't know the owner but the cat is hungry, tired, and cold. Obviously you take the kitty in but do you try and find the owner? Or adopt it as your own? Is the owner a crazy cat lady who can't afford to properly feed and shelter said kitty? Are they a nice loving family that neglected to tag the kitty? There are 2 sides to every story. Then there is the internet effect, where some guy on here is telling me to buy an 800$ ecu should you listen too him? which I don't even want to get started on the levels of DIY and their correlating cost. I know peace has been established between the 2 parties, I don't want to start anything else.
:2cents:

Also IIRC Greg told me he was going to try an ms2 diy or something along those line, sorry to spill the beans but the bandaids wont last long and hopefully that will get you some more :likecat: 's

Your attitude is constantly shit, and you act as though your opinion is law. Even on things you believe beneath you or not worth your time you still go and form an opinion and belittle everyone who disagrees with you. In my opinion your attitude of dismissing shit and people around here is worse than letting the fucking idiot noobs take over with bullshit aids setups. Have your opinion, state your reasons, let the user on the other end decide what applies to him. This place would be fucking boring as shit if we all had to do it your way or no way. I've had other members PM me and tell me things in private because they don't want to deal with your shit. I know for a fact, then, that your bullshit is causing censorship around here and I don't like you for it.

I'm sure if you think hard you'll remember all the threads we've crossed paths like this, this time the almighty Savington says a 1.6 can't do 270 on a 2554 even though we've all already seen it. I simply point you to the thread since you can't be bothered to know the subject beforehand and get negative cats from you and some dipshit ricer logic in return. Say you're not mad, I think you were. I sat and watched yours and Ryan's replies while I ate lunch, you two were the only ones in the thread. Is someone else really going to give me negative props for giving you the link you can't be bothered to look for?

And yeah, maybe I am on edge lately but not Aidan related this time!

*there

this is bugging me, did I misspeak or use an improper version of there?

yes
There are not 2 sides. If you sleep with a married woman you are a douche and should get shot.

:)

I was always in to public humiliation, thanks. Right in front of my face the whole time

*wards

poor example, I'll whip up another one, more mt friendly

are*

The funny thing is, there ARE budget turbo builds that are done on this site. I don't know how much OP has spent thus far on his, but i did this build(not including the interior swap) for somewhere between $2,000 - $2,500. I don't have an exact number because a TON of beer was consumed. My memory is foggy. (I should have made a youtube series "drunk & boosted")
https://www.miataturbo.net/build-thr...ta-ever-73248/

The thing is though, this uses quality parts. Parts that have been known to preform well and be reliable. Most of the parts were free(what was laying around), found on craigslist for cheap, or built somehow.
I wouldn't hesitate to build this car again. It was rock solid, even though it would have needed a torsen eventually.

For the millionth time:
buy a non-electronics FM kit without the intercooler core and turbo. add ebay core and garrett t25. add ms and wideband.

BOOM YOU'RE DONE for under 3k

3k too much to turbocharge a car? then you should have other priorities, like going to school and getting a job

Take a welding class and weld your own manifold/downpipe and save another chunk of change.

Exactly what I'm doing in my build.
Total 2800$ not including ecu, but I am overseas so that's a few hundred more than you would pay.

Well, I have not spent a single cent yet towards my build as I'm in my planning phase. I only looked at this series just to see if it'd be a possibility. Yes, it would.

Planning to do MKturbo + Reverant MS setup. The 'proper' way most MT folk would call it

Yep, that's the "cheap proper" way

Tbh, Greg's channel is what gave me the kick in the ass to start working at going turbo again. With all parts coming from the us of a, and the Canadian dollar eating goose shit, parts are fucking pricey here.

His channel shows and explains that this is the go to place, and I've read a whole lot, learnt some (it'd be nice if the turbo flange I'd page in the newb page would have photos), and haven't commented much because searching has been recommended, but when you don't understand something and revive an old thread you get flamed to all hell.

I've ordered an ms2 enhanced, will be learning to tune my car na, as it sits, order my turbo manifold, pipe through my intercooler and piping, then attach turbo and attempt. I drive mine daily, so all in a day isn't feasible.

Anywho. Thanks Greg. Thanks Mt.net
I say encourage new users, if they choose to do things correctly, great, if not, flame the useless twats who buy eBay kits for 600$.