Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 234831)
says mr two gt15s.
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Originally Posted by zoom2zoom
(Post 235019)
a 60-1 or sc61 would get him over 300rwhp wouldn't it? whatever term you want to call it anyway.
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Originally Posted by zoom2zoom
(Post 235019)
a 60-1 or sc61 would get him over 300rwhp wouldn't it? whatever term you want to call it anyway.
whatever term? you mean which turbo?! T3 Super 60 = T3 Super 60 T3 Super 60 :ne: T3/T4 60-1 T3 Super 60 = 60mm compressor wheel Garrett 60-1 = 76.2mm compressor wheel 60mm :ne: 76.2mm T3 S60 = 60mm T3/t4 60-1 = 60 trim 60mm :ne: 60 trim T3 Super 60 = 275-300HP T3/T4 60-1 = 600-640HP 300HP :ne: 640HP :noes: :noob: |
ha ha, be nice, I have never needed a turbo that big so got them confused!!
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Been thinking about this a bit more and making a big assumption, here's my take:
The assumption that I'm making is that since the turbine wheel stays the same, that the overall radius of the T28 and T3 housings for the same turbo stay pretty much the same. Making the above assumption, the turbine A/R is simply a ratio of cross-sectional flow area to the distance from the center of the housing. So to make the math easy, let's say that the 0.64 A/R T28 housing has an inlet cross sectional area of 100 units squared. So, at a radius of 100 units from center, the cross sectional area would be 64 units squared. Since a T3 housing has a 133% larger inlet area, the beginning inlet cross sectional area would be 133 units squared. Then, at the same radius of 100 units from the center of the housing, the cross sectional area would be 63.84 units squared with a 0.48 A/R (0.48 * 100 * 133/100), and 85.12 units squared with a 0.64 A/R (0.64 * 100 * 133/100) Thus, assuming that cross sectional area can be taken as a surrogate for flow, the 0.48 A/R T3 housing mathematically should flow very similar to a 0.64 A/R T28 housing, and a 0.64 A/R T3 housing mathematically should flow similar to a 0.86 A/R T28 housing. Yes, trying to convince myself that I'm making the right choice. Yes, it's called rationalization. |
Assumptions suck.
I don't know if I would assume the A/R of the T3 housing (or the T2, or any turbine ever) is the same starting at the inlet to the turbine. Just because the hole at the inlet flange is the T3 size, doesn't mean 1" into the turbine it's still the same amount larger than the T2 turbine. My GT1548's have a T2 flange but neck down very quickly after the flange. If I were ATP and making custom cast turbines, I would copy the geometry of the original, except with the modified flange attached. So .64A/R T2 would be the same as a .64A/R T3. But that's my logic. If they are taking standard T3 turbines and machining them to mate to the GT28 center section I dunno then. I would call and talk to some Guru at ATP. |
Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 234494)
it's one of those compromises, while the .63 will probably produce more power per psi, it will spool slower coupled with his tubular manifold and produce a torque curve he doesn't want. |
Originally Posted by TurboTim
(Post 235997)
I would call and talk to some Guru at ATP.
"It's just as you suspected, T3 of the same A/R is bigger than T25. T3 .48 has similar turbine flow numbers as T25 .64 A/R. This is due to the two being different "framesizes" and so the scaling of the dimensions are different. Thank you." |
Originally Posted by JasonC SBB
(Post 236079)
I may have misunderstood your point, but the shorty tubey should spool better than a log mani.
Tom's is not a shorty tubular. I'd expect it to spool slower than a log / shorty tubular, but make more top end. |
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