Turbo manifolds for the 1.6L almighty engine
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Well currently my engine is out and being rebuilt but I"m also looking around for turbo manifolds. It seems like there is only a few choices on ebay and most look like junk, the ones made of stainless. I did see this one though
89-93 MAZDA MIATA 1.6L B6 CAST T3/T4 TURBO MANIFOLD 90:eBay Motors (item 220444527607 end time Jul-05-09 17:48:56 PDT) I wanted to get your guys take on it, looks good and study. My only thing with it is its a T3 flange, so either I need to find a T3 flanged turbo or get an adapter to a T2 style flange. Though I don't know if the adapter will make it to big. I am not sure on what type of T3 style turbos would work well, yes I will be looking around and currently looking at the spool data. I saw stuff like these but don't know yet if this cheap chinese crap T3/T4 60 Trim RB20 / Internal Gate V-Band Turbo:eBay Motors (item 150353422865 end time Jul-08-09 18:02:22 PDT) Also Has anyone used a Turbo Speciliates manifold? I know generally they are cast iron and T2 flanged. I've seen them on my former car which was a sentra 2002. But not for the miata, not big enough pics, usually they sell them around for 275 for the manifold. IT looked like this. Attachment 204925 I'm looking at getting the MS and running that and dropping in sentra specV 310cc injectors since I would believe that to be enough for up to 200whp, haven't done the math, but I'm pretty sure they support that much on the SpecV atleast. Anyways thanks and I'll be searching. |
where are you gonna get a downpipe dude?
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Originally Posted by magnamx-5
(Post 426943)
where are you gonna get a downpipe dude?
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Don't buy any turbo parts off ebay (unless it's a complete greddy kit). Pick up a Bell Engineering or Flyin Miata kit.
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The TacoTaco manifold is one of the very few eBay-sourced turbo parts that have been tested and proven to be somewhat reliable. It's a horrid design from a fluid-dynamics standpoint, and you have to do some grinding to get all the nuts on, but it appears to be reasonably well made insofar as the metallurgy and foundry process.
On the other hand... Bearing in mind that the Bell manifold in either T25 or T3 is only $299, if that extra $140 is going to break you, then you shouldn't be turboing your car. BEGi / Bell Engineering miata turbo exhaust manfold, header style manifold - BEGi |
Originally Posted by dustinb
(Post 426945)
Don't buy any turbo parts off ebay (unless it's a complete greddy kit). Pick up a Bell Engineering or Flyin Miata kit.
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Originally Posted by Joe Perez
(Post 426946)
The TacoTaco manifold is one of the very few eBay-sourced turbo parts that have been tested and proven to be somewhat reliable. It's a horrid design from a fluid-dynamics standpoint, and you have to do some grinding to get all the nuts on, but it appears to be reasonably well made insofar as the metallurgy and foundry process.
On the other hand... Bearing in mind that the Bell manifold in either T25 or T3 is only $299, if that extra $140 is going to break you, then you shouldn't be turboing your car. BEGi / Bell Engineering miata turbo exhaust manfold, header style manifold - BEGi |
Originally Posted by Techsalvager
(Post 426947)
Not to be mean, but last I check this was DIY turbo talk not Turbo Kit discussion.
Not to be mean, but I really think a kit is the best option. Or at least buy the manifold from bell engineering, and then you know you can get a downpipe to actually fit it if your welding doesn't pan out. |
Originally Posted by Techsalvager
(Post 426947)
Not to be mean, but last I check this was DIY turbo talk not Turbo Kit discussion.
In any case, this is the DIY forum and everything Joe said is correct. It would be helpful if we knew what kind of power goal you were looking at, what your budget was, what yours kills are. You can put a short writeup of your car and it's current state of modification in your signature, in addition to a one-sentence goal. You'll also find that the majority of major posters on this forum, are also major posters over at the m.net forum and the various other turbo-specific Miata forums. Obviously there are hi and lo-dollar parts to any turbo build. The manifold/DP combo, the turbocharger itself, and the ECU if you're going that route. You can find complete used Mani/DP combos from FM and Bell in the classifieds all the time for $500 or less, that won't break and have excellent flow... or you can spend $350 on the eBay combo that flow's like shit and will be broken in a month. That should be the end of that discussion. "If it breaks, it breaks" is fine, but when people come in looking for advice, then buy things we tell them no to, then start a thread "you guys were right, it broke, now what" get shit on and told to fuck off. The advice you're getting now is priceless. Don't buy eBay manifolds and downpipes... DON'T DO IT! If you can't afford new, buy used Bell or FM pieces out of the classifieds. End of discussion. For your 1.6, you also have the Greddy option. The Greddy manifold and turbocharger are decent pieces. They are very reliable and can provide up to about 250whp with the proper setup. Used "upgraded" and complete Greddy kits also come up for sale all the time in the classifieds. Everything that comes in the stock "Greddy kit" is useless except the manifold and turbocharger. I think you can get new Greddy kits for abou $1200, but everything except those 2 parts are no better than scrap. A new Bell T3 mani is $300, and you can pick up a T3-S60 for $500 new... and for another $500, you might just have enough to comlete a running T3 kit depending on how cheap you can find a DP. So, if you haven't read the STICKY's throughout the various forums, do that now. READ THE STICKY'S! Also visit the Bell and FM websites and see what they offer new. Also run through the classifieds for the past few months and do some homework on the frequency of certain parts and the going rates. Then DOWNLOAD Craigshelper or any of the other CL search engine programs and start searching the entire country for parts daily... it's pretty easy, and you never know what will pop up within driving or short-shipping distance that never make it to a forum classified. Welcome to the forum! |
Originally Posted by dustinb
(Post 426954)
Last time I checked someone with no welding experience couldn't make a turbo kit.
Not to be mean, but I really think a kit is the best option. Or at least buy the manifold from bell engineering, and then you know you can get a downpipe to actually fit it if your welding doesn't pan out. |
Originally Posted by samnavy
(Post 426958)
You're right, but there's no reason to be a douche about it. Posts like this have no value and with 6 posts yourself, you don't need to be giving people shit that you're asking for advice. Posts that start out "not to be mean" or "don't take this the wrong way" are fucking lame. If you want to tell a guy to fuck off, then tell them, but don't be a pussy. Dustin's post had no value in this dicsussion because he gave no background information, no reason why eBay parts are bad and the others are good... and he's certainly wrong tell you to buy a Greddy kit... that's just about the worst waste of money you could do. If he had actually provided some good information, then his post would have been quite relevant... the pro's and con's of DIY vs. Kit is always welcome... if this had been a "kit" question and not a "manifold" question.
In any case, this is the DIY forum and everything Joe said is correct. It would be helpful if we knew what kind of power goal you were looking at, what your budget was, what yours kills are. You can put a short writeup of your car and it's current state of modification in your signature, in addition to a one-sentence goal. You'll also find that the majority of major posters on this forum, are also major posters over at the m.net forum and the various other turbo-specific Miata forums. Obviously there are hi and lo-dollar parts to any turbo build. The manifold/DP combo, the turbocharger itself, and the ECU if you're going that route. You can find complete used Mani/DP combos from FM and Bell in the classifieds all the time for $500 or less, that won't break and have excellent flow... or you can spend $350 on the eBay combo that flow's like shit and will be broken in a month. That should be the end of that discussion. "If it breaks, it breaks" is fine, but when people come in looking for advice, then buy things we tell them no to, then start a thread "you guys were right, it broke, now what" get shit on and told to fuck off. The advice you're getting now is priceless. Don't buy eBay manifolds and downpipes... DON'T DO IT! If you can't afford new, buy used Bell or FM pieces out of the classifieds. End of discussion. For your 1.6, you also have the Greddy option. The Greddy manifold and turbocharger are decent pieces. They are very reliable and can provide up to about 250whp with the proper setup. Used "upgraded" and complete Greddy kits also come up for sale all the time in the classifieds. Everything that comes in the stock "Greddy kit" is useless except the manifold and turbocharger. I think you can get new Greddy kits for abou $1200, but everything except those 2 parts are no better than scrap. A new Bell T3 mani is $300, and you can pick up a T3-S60 for $500 new... and for another $500, you might just have enough to comlete a running T3 kit depending on how cheap you can find a DP. So, if you haven't read the STICKY's throughout the various forums, do that now. READ THE STICKY'S! Also visit the Bell and FM websites and see what they offer new. Also run through the classifieds for the past few months and do some homework on the frequency of certain parts and the going rates. Then DOWNLOAD Craigshelper or any of the other CL search engine programs and start searching the entire country for parts daily... it's pretty easy, and you never know what will pop up within driving or short-shipping distance that never make it to a forum classified. Welcome to the forum![/QUOTE] |
I went the ebay route and got screwed. The first one I bought was a manifold / downpipe combo, and the manifold was crap and the downpipe didn't fit. I had purchased a DSM t25 turbo for it (off of ebay), and spent a bunch of time getting the downpipe to fit, only to find out that the turbo was cracked in the cartridge. I purchased a new 16G from a local turbo shop, and my motor blew up a few days later. I could only find a 1.8 litre motor, so I bought that, but I then couldn't find a proper manifold or downpipe to fit the turbo, so I sold all the damn parts at a loss. I then did a complete new build, all DIY. My co-worker is an amazing aluminum / stainless welder (all his tickets, worked in food industry and fish industry welding stuff), but he's also crazy busy. I got some amazing parts out of it, and I realized after seeing all the work he had to put into the downpipes and charpipes that there would be no way for myself to do it. I would have to have tons of welding experience to come even close. It also took about 2 months to get it done.
So sorry if I came off as a douche too. I've been buying off ebay since 1999 (original account still), and I've found some good stuff, but turbo things on ebay have been a total fail for me. Whenever I see turbo and ebay I just get angry. |
Oh and the Greddy kit as it comes is somewhat crap, but if you make it a DIY (which a lot of people have), you can get some great numbers out of it. A friend of mine went that route, and made like 145whp with it straight out of the box. After getting a new downpipe, charge pipes, intercooler, recirc valve, boost controller, and AEM EMS, he's up to 218WHP and 199 torque. So I consider the greddy kit a DIY.
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Originally Posted by dustinb
(Post 426968)
I went the ebay route and got screwed. The first one I bought was a manifold / downpipe combo, and the manifold was crap and the downpipe didn't fit. I had purchased a DSM t25 turbo for it (off of ebay), and spent a bunch of time getting the downpipe to fit, only to find out that the turbo was cracked in the cartridge. I purchased a new 16G from a local turbo shop, and my motor blew up a few days later. I could only find a 1.8 litre motor, so I bought that, but I then couldn't find a proper manifold or downpipe to fit the turbo, so I sold all the damn parts at a loss. I then did a complete new build, all DIY. My co-worker is an amazing aluminum / stainless welder (all his tickets, worked in food industry and fish industry welding stuff), but he's also crazy busy. I got some amazing parts out of it, and I realized after seeing all the work he had to put into the downpipes and charpipes that there would be no way for myself to do it. I would have to have tons of welding experience to come even close. It also took about 2 months to get it done.
So sorry if I came off as a douche too. I've been buying off ebay since 1999 (original account still), and I've found some good stuff, but turbo things on ebay have been a total fail for me. Whenever I see turbo and ebay I just get angry. |
Originally Posted by Techsalvager
(Post 426972)
yeah no problem, turbo stuff on ebay is big area of crap alot of times, there is a few things just got to be careful. I can understand now why you dislike ebay and turbo in a sentence.
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Not knowing the state of prices across the pond I can't say for sure but You could always tack weld the parts together (even I can do that) then get a friend or hired welder of sufficient ability to weld it up fully.
Personally I'm tacking then welding myself when my flange gets here but I am only doing this because I will be grinding the inner surfaces as I go for that little extra flow. |
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You should just get this combo:
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i should just close this lame thread that got drug up for no reason
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