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dustinb 11-29-2009 02:16 PM

I would say oil starvation due to banjo bolt and restrictor.

zoomin 11-29-2009 02:22 PM

Man I miss my 1.6 HKS manifold, such a piece of art! Are you sure you never sucked in some of that silicon sealant I see at the inlet?

zoomin 11-29-2009 02:27 PM


Originally Posted by dustinb (Post 488182)
It looks like your oil is feeding from the side, not the top. The oil should be coming straight down into the turbo, and exiting straight down as well.

Pretty much all oil feeds come in from the side to feed the top port, as it would put quite a kink in the hose if it came straight down into the feed port and then bend it to clear the hood.

olderguy 11-29-2009 02:28 PM

Port next to the oil filter? Picture please.

Savington 11-29-2009 02:43 PM


Originally Posted by gianic (Post 488164)
I sent an email to atp and told me that if I send them my old chra they will send me a new one for 466 dollars . Has anybody done this before?

Yeah, I have. As long as it's a real Garrett CHRA and you haven't tried to disassemble it for any reason, they'll replace it regardless of the damage.

I can't imagine the turbo was under-oiled. I run an .035 restrictor and so do a lot of other people, and there aren't a rash of failures like this. My bet is that because you've got the boost controller hooked into the intake manifold, it's overspinning the everliving shit out of the turbo and causing your failures.

SKMetalworks 11-29-2009 02:47 PM


Originally Posted by Savington (Post 488247)
Yeah, I have. As long as it's a real Garrett CHRA and you haven't tried to disassemble it for any reason, they'll replace it regardless of the damage.

I can't imagine the turbo was under-oiled. I run an .035 restrictor and so do a lot of other people, and there aren't a rash of failures like this. My bet is that because you've got the boost controller hooked into the intake manifold, it's overspinning the everliving shit out of the turbo and causing your failures.


Should the wastegate line be hooked up post intercooler/pre intake?

dustinb 11-29-2009 02:50 PM


Originally Posted by zoomin (Post 488236)
Pretty much all oil feeds come in from the side to feed the top port, as it would put quite a kink in the hose if it came straight down into the feed port and then bend it to clear the hood.

I mean that it appeared from his first picture that the oil was coming in sideways. Like yes, the line comes in from the side, but makes a turn and goes downwards. You can't have the oil shoot in from the side, continue to keep going along the horizontal axis, and then continue out the drain on the other side. The oil still needs to fall in a vertical axis.

gianic 11-29-2009 07:05 PM


Originally Posted by zoomin (Post 488234)
Man I miss my 1.6 HKS manifold, such a piece of art! Are you sure you never sucked in some of that silicon sealant I see at the inlet?

Couldn't be this. The problem is in the bearings. Beside this my 2nd turbo hadn't any silicone sealant.

gianic 11-29-2009 07:16 PM


Originally Posted by olderguy (Post 488237)
Port next to the oil filter? Picture please.

Hmm can't get any down there. If anyone could post a side pic of a bp 99 block I could show you.

Savington 11-29-2009 08:03 PM


Originally Posted by sbkcocker499 (Post 488249)
Should the wastegate line be hooked up post intercooler/pre intake?

yep.

Full_Tilt_Boogie 11-29-2009 08:10 PM


Originally Posted by Savington (Post 488359)
yep.

I think a lot of people connect internal wastegates to the manifold so that vacuum hold it closed when the engines in vacuum, but Ive always wondered if it was bad fro the diaphram

gianic 11-29-2009 08:11 PM

I will post a video tomorrow with the drain.

gianic 11-30-2009 06:23 AM

Ok , in the 1st video you can see the drain, nothing, not a single drop..

In the 2nd video is the oil feed, it fills 0.5l bottle in a few seconds with and without the restrictor.

Sorry for the poor quality , it's from my mobile.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvCOOuv1Pe8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14ey_cH2CbE

Any suggestions?

Braineack 11-30-2009 09:13 AM

this is a T3 turbo drain with a .060" restrictor at idle:




you has no oil going through the turbo for some reason...

gianic 11-30-2009 12:37 PM

Yes propably, could you figure out why? Is it possible from dirty oil?

Braineack 11-30-2009 01:13 PM

no clue...maybe your oil drain gasket didnt have a hole in it? seriously odd one.

jayc72 11-30-2009 02:07 PM

What's on the end of that oil line? Did you check flow through the restrictor? Look at the restrictor and see if there is damage or possibly an error with the machining ... does the hole go all the way through?

m2cupcar 11-30-2009 02:24 PM


Originally Posted by gianic (Post 488518)
...it fills 0.5l bottle in a few seconds with and without the restrictor... Any suggestions?

That would eliminate the restrictor if it flowed the same. What did the two failed turbos have in common? same oil? same drain?

Braineack 11-30-2009 02:28 PM

did you see his first video? there's zero oil going THROUGH the turbo out the drain... that's a big issue.

ARTech 11-30-2009 02:43 PM

He has the line looped though. Remember it's only gravity carrying the oil away. It's not going to make it's way up that loop.

Gianic, try it again with the bottle under the oil pan.


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