using a OEM turbo on an older miata
Anyone have any experience puting a newer Miata OEM turbo,manifold and down pipe on a older maiata. I have a "96" 1.8 ltr and trying to fit a 2005 OEM turbo set up.
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Originally Posted by oldhome
(Post 985588)
Anyone have any experience puting a newer Miata OEM turbo,manifold and down pipe on a older maiata. I have a "96" 1.8 ltr and trying to fit a 2005 OEM turbo set up.
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Originally Posted by oldhome
(Post 985588)
Anyone have any experience puting a newer Miata OEM turbo,manifold and down pipe on a older maiata. I have a "96" 1.8 ltr and trying to fit a 2005 OEM turbo set up.
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What most people do with MSMs here is replace everything that makes it an MSM. I don't know why you would want to do that except for emissions reasons, which probably won't work for a '96.
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I am attempting this for cost. Would like to buy a BEGI or FM kit but can't get to spending more than the car cost on a turbo.
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Originally Posted by oldhome
(Post 985644)
I am attempting this for cost. Would like to buy a BEGI or FM kit but can't get to spending more than the car cost on a turbo.
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A good number of MSM owners have switched to a FMII or Begi turbo setup, I have never missed the OEM turbo it was tiny.
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I am not interested getting max power just more than what I have. I also have looked into spark, timing and a wide band so I don't fry the motor in the first day. Purchased the MSD box. Looking at voodoo box for fuel as it seems simple to set up.
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Save your money and do it right later.
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Originally Posted by oldhome
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I am not interested getting max power just more than what I have. I also have looked into spark, timing and a wide band so I don't fry the motor in the first day. Purchased the MSD box. Looking at voodoo box for fuel as it seems simple to set up.
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I don't know what all the fuss is about, this can't be much worse than a GReddy setup.
If you just want a bit of boost it will be fine, if you have all the lines from the turbo they will bolt up to your block if it is old enough to have the oil feed. Some newer NA blocks don't have the feed drilled and tapped, if this is the case you will have to source it from the oil pressure sender port or something. You will need the MSM water pump inlet and the pipe that runs to the heater core. You will need to sort out your own oil return to the sump, this is how I did mine: https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1343456780 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1343456780 Obviously you will need some form of engine management and injector upgrade to handle the boost. Don't cheap out on this step. Cheers |
Originally Posted by oldhome
(Post 985644)
Would like to buy a BEGI or FM kit but can't get to spending more than the car cost on a turbo.
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Thanks for the civil reply Tim... unlike a few others. I thought forums were to pass along valueable infomation and skillls, not ridicule.
I guess it is hard to be civil and helpfull when living in your mothers basment. The problem I have run into is the water pump inlet rides hard on the turbo. Looks like the newer MSM inlet will solve the problem. |
Originally Posted by oldhome
(Post 985887)
The problem I have run into is the water pump inlet rides hard on the turbo. Looks like the newer MSM inlet will solve the problem.
Running the turbo from the MSM won't make you the cool guy around here, but I for one happen to think it is a great option for a budget 200hp/10psi solution. The main problem with the MSM is everything that supports it - primarily the intake and the ECU. I spoke with Bill Cardell (owner of FM) about the stock Mazdaspeed turbo a few years back at Road Atlanta. He was very positive about that turbo and its potential. In fact, he runs the stock Mazdaspeed turbo on his Westfield: Bill Cardell's Westfield SDV with Mazda 1.8L Turbo Engine |
Originally Posted by oldhome
(Post 985887)
Thanks for the civil reply Tim... unlike a few others. I thought forums were to pass along valueable infomation and skillls, not ridicule.
I guess it is hard to be civil and helpfull when living in your mothers basment. The problem I have run into is the water pump inlet rides hard on the turbo. Looks like the newer MSM inlet will solve the problem. Anyone have any experience puting a newer Miata OEM turbo,manifold and down pipe on a older maiata. I have a "96" 1.8 ltr and trying to fit a 2005 OEM turbo set up. I'd agree I think it's an ok option. I also think though with a little time and patience It would be well worth it to go the extra step. It's not hard to exceed the price of these cars since you can find them running for $1000+ now days. I bought mine a while ago and paid more for my tein flexs' then the car. Could be purely preference but I find the msm setup to leave a bit to be desired. With a little research you can easily piece a pretty decent setup for a reasonable amount. |
Originally Posted by oldhome
(Post 985644)
I am attempting this for cost. Would like to buy a BEGI or FM kit but can't get to spending more than the car cost on a turbo.
There are frequently used kits in the classifieds for $1000 +/-. With megasquirt and some DIY you can still be well under $2000 when you're all done. |
Originally Posted by oldhome
(Post 985887)
I thought forums were to pass along valueable infomation and skillls, not ridicule.
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Thanks Nick,
That seems to resolve the issue. As for the MSM turbo I wanted a smaller turbo as I have a 17 yr old who drives this also |
if you have kids and can't afford a proper turbo setup using non-bandaids you should either make more money, not mod cars, or not have kids.
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Originally Posted by oldhome
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Thanks Nick,
That seems to resolve the issue. As for the MSM turbo I wanted a smaller turbo as I have a 17 yr old who drives this also |
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