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Old 03-04-2013, 04:04 PM   #1
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Anyone have any experience puting a newer Miata OEM turbo,manifold and down pipe on a older maiata. I have a "96" 1.8 ltr and trying to fit a 2005 OEM turbo set up.
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Anyone have any experience puting a newer Miata OEM turbo,manifold and down pipe on a older maiata. I have a "96" 1.8 ltr and trying to fit a 2005 OEM turbo set up.
There are a few threads over on mazda-speed.com of this process.
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Anyone have any experience puting a newer Miata OEM turbo,manifold and down pipe on a older maiata. I have a "96" 1.8 ltr and trying to fit a 2005 OEM turbo set up.
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What most people do with MSMs here is replace everything that makes it an MSM. I don't know why you would want to do that except for emissions reasons, which probably won't work for a '96.
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I am attempting this for cost. Would like to buy a BEGI or FM kit but can't get to spending more than the car cost on a turbo.
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I am attempting this for cost. Would like to buy a BEGI or FM kit but can't get to spending more than the car cost on a turbo.
You will spend more then the cost of the car on no matter what turbo kit you go with. Did you plan on just bolting on the turbo and manifold and thinking it would work properly? Have you thought of fuel and spark control yet? Or do you plan on swapping the motor and hardware along with the MSM ecu? Did you think about $350 for a new clutch to handle the additional power? How about a $200 wideband?
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A good number of MSM owners have switched to a FMII or Begi turbo setup, I have never missed the OEM turbo it was tiny.
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I am not interested getting max power just more than what I have. I also have looked into spark, timing and a wide band so I don't fry the motor in the first day. Purchased the MSD box. Looking at voodoo box for fuel as it seems simple to set up.
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Save your money and do it right later.
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I am not interested getting max power just more than what I have. I also have looked into spark, timing and a wide band so I don't fry the motor in the first day. Purchased the MSD box. Looking at voodoo box for fuel as it seems simple to set up.
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I don't know what all the fuss is about, this can't be much worse than a GReddy setup.

If you just want a bit of boost it will be fine, if you have all the lines from the turbo they will bolt up to your block if it is old enough to have the oil feed. Some newer NA blocks don't have the feed drilled and tapped, if this is the case you will have to source it from the oil pressure sender port or something.

You will need the MSM water pump inlet and the pipe that runs to the heater core. You will need to sort out your own oil return to the sump, this is how I did mine:





Obviously you will need some form of engine management and injector upgrade to handle the boost. Don't cheap out on this step.

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Thanks for the civil reply Tim... unlike a few others. I thought forums were to pass along valueable infomation and skillls, not ridicule.
I guess it is hard to be civil and helpfull when living in your mothers basment.
The problem I have run into is the water pump inlet rides hard on the turbo. Looks like the newer MSM inlet will solve the problem.
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The problem I have run into is the water pump inlet rides hard on the turbo. Looks like the newer MSM inlet will solve the problem.
Correct - you'll need the MSM inlet. Good discussion on the topic here: Waterpump inlet

Running the turbo from the MSM won't make you the cool guy around here, but I for one happen to think it is a great option for a budget 200hp/10psi solution. The main problem with the MSM is everything that supports it - primarily the intake and the ECU.

I spoke with Bill Cardell (owner of FM) about the stock Mazdaspeed turbo a few years back at Road Atlanta. He was very positive about that turbo and its potential. In fact, he runs the stock Mazdaspeed turbo on his Westfield: Bill Cardell's Westfield SDV with Mazda 1.8L Turbo Engine
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Thanks for the civil reply Tim... unlike a few others. I thought forums were to pass along valueable infomation and skillls, not ridicule.
I guess it is hard to be civil and helpfull when living in your mothers basment.
The problem I have run into is the water pump inlet rides hard on the turbo. Looks like the newer MSM inlet will solve the problem.
Not sure what thread you're reading buddy. I don't see anything uncivil in this thread.

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Anyone have any experience puting a newer Miata OEM turbo,manifold and down pipe on a older maiata. I have a "96" 1.8 ltr and trying to fit a 2005 OEM turbo set up.
You asked and based on the experience these users have they recommend against it. Nick who is a reputable member gave you his opinion as well as lots of useful information.

I'd agree I think it's an ok option. I also think though with a little time and patience It would be well worth it to go the extra step. It's not hard to exceed the price of these cars since you can find them running for $1000+ now days. I bought mine a while ago and paid more for my tein flexs' then the car.

Could be purely preference but I find the msm setup to leave a bit to be desired. With a little research you can easily piece a pretty decent setup for a reasonable amount.
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I am attempting this for cost. Would like to buy a BEGI or FM kit but can't get to spending more than the car cost on a turbo.
Cheap, fast, reliable, choose two.

There are frequently used kits in the classifieds for $1000 +/-. With megasquirt and some DIY you can still be well under $2000 when you're all done.
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No, they're mostly for cat pictures. Any conveyance of useful information is purely incidental.
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Thanks Nick,
That seems to resolve the issue. As for the MSM turbo I wanted a smaller turbo as I have a 17 yr old who drives this also
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if you have kids and can't afford a proper turbo setup using non-bandaids you should either make more money, not mod cars, or not have kids.
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Thanks Nick,
That seems to resolve the issue. As for the MSM turbo I wanted a smaller turbo as I have a 17 yr old who drives this also
perfect. get an ebc and a couple tunes. turbo for you. no turbo for 17yr old.
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