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avante43 04-19-2010 11:51 AM

V-Band Flanges for Tial housing
 
One of my friends has a GT2871R with tial V-band housing on the way.
Can one of you guys that have one of these let me know what size v-bands the inlet and outlet is?
Also, are all v-band flanges the same? In other words, will a 3" v-band flange from company X ti with a v-band flange from company y?

baron340 04-19-2010 12:41 PM

I have no clue what the size is, but not all v-bands are the same. There are a few different designs to them. Some use different style clamps, and a few even require a very thin gasket.

avante43 04-19-2010 01:11 PM


Originally Posted by baron340 (Post 558577)
I have no clue what the size is, but not all v-bands are the same. There are a few different designs to them. Some use different style clamps, and a few even require a very thin gasket.

So if that's the case, do you need tial v-band flanges to fit the tial v-band turbo?

neogenesis2004 04-19-2010 01:23 PM

Yes, you need the tial specific vbands for the housing.

hustler 04-19-2010 01:51 PM


Originally Posted by neogenesis2004 (Post 558596)
Yes, you need the tial specific vbands for the housing.

truth. The TiAL v-bands have a male/female version due to the groove...and worth the money.

thagr81 us 04-19-2010 05:24 PM

Good shit to know... I will be sure to send Burns one when they build my merge collector.

hustler 04-19-2010 05:49 PM


Originally Posted by thagr81 us (Post 558740)
Good shit to know... I will be sure to send Burns one when they build my merge collector.

Turbo Timmy used TiAL v-bands on my dp of course and I used v-band flanges from silicone intakes on the rest of the exhaust. All are sealed, but the TiAL flanges take a little more care to get lined-up, but fit right every time. Make sure you send the right flange of course, I believe the turbo is female on the inlet and the outlet.

thagr81 us 04-19-2010 06:01 PM

Thanks hustler. I have been contact with Burns and Tial last week so getting verification on the Tial shouldn't be a problem. I will post upon verification...

Stephanie Turner 04-19-2010 09:48 PM

They use 3" Flanges and clamps.
Stephanie

hustler 04-20-2010 09:14 AM


Originally Posted by Stephanie Turner (Post 558868)
They use 3" Flanges and clamps.
Stephanie

Turbo inlet is smaller than 3".

thagr81 us 04-20-2010 10:43 AM

1 Attachment(s)
Got this from Tial last week via our e-mail communications... Enjoy.

TurboTim 04-20-2010 01:20 PM

Ohh mutherfer. Get the entire turbine housing solid model while you're at it.

Stephanie Turner 04-20-2010 01:39 PM


Originally Posted by hustler (Post 559047)
Turbo inlet is smaller than 3".

The last 4 manifolds we built used that size. The inlet and outlet are the same size, but use different clamps and flanges. Those were for GT2860, GT2871, and GT30 turbos. I call Tial, tell them what I need, and they tell me what to order. I try to make it as dummy proof as possible.

When I order parts from TiAL, this is what I have to order:
VBF300M 3" Weld on Outlet Flange
VC355 3" Outlet Clamp
VC300 3" Inlet Clamp
GTVFL3.0 3" Weld On Inlet Flange

According to my price sheets, the GT28/30/35 turbos all use the above flanges and clamps. The GT42/45 turbos go up to a 4" clamp and flange.
Stephanie

neogenesis2004 04-20-2010 01:48 PM

You forgot to end your post with something to rub it in, for example: BURN, or IN YOUR FACE FUCKER!

This is Hustler we are talking about.

Stephanie Turner 04-20-2010 02:06 PM

Very true, but I am learning the "high road". If I fall off the wagon, I have to admit my sins, apologize for them, etc. Entirely too much trouble. :giggle:
Stephanie (attempting to be funny)

TurboTim 04-20-2010 02:24 PM


Originally Posted by Stephanie Turner (Post 559185)
The last 4 manifolds we built used that size. The inlet and outlet are the same size, but use different clamps and flanges. Those were for GT2860, GT2871, and GT30 turbos. I call Tial, tell them what I need, and they tell me what to order. I try to make it as dummy proof as possible.

When I order parts from TiAL, this is what I have to order:
VBF300M 3" Weld on Outlet Flange
VC355 3" Outlet Clamp
VC300 3" Inlet Clamp
GTVFL3.0 3" Weld On Inlet Flange

According to my price sheets, the GT28/30/35 turbos all use the above flanges and clamps. The GT42/45 turbos go up to a 4" clamp and flange.
Stephanie

VBF300M is the inlet flange to the turbine. Outer diameter of the vband itself is 3.000 inch and uses that VC300 clamp for, yeah, a 3" outer diameter vband. ID is around 2-2.125, it's conical. The turbine outlet flange is that GTVFL3.0, which is for a 3" pipe. The outer diameter I do not know for sure, but I will assume it's...3.550". I'll let you guess where I figured that info from ;) I'll guess the ID is 2.910. They ain't the same size. BURNZZZZZ!

EDIT #8: You guys made 4 vband mani's so far? Damn I better step my game up.

hustler 04-20-2010 02:24 PM


Originally Posted by Stephanie Turner (Post 559185)
The last 4 manifolds we built used that size. The inlet and outlet are the same size, but use different clamps and flanges. Those were for GT2860, GT2871, and GT30 turbos. I call Tial, tell them what I need, and they tell me what to order. I try to make it as dummy proof as possible.

When I order parts from TiAL, this is what I have to order:
VBF300M 3" Weld on Outlet Flange
VC355 3" Outlet Clamp
VC300 3" Inlet Clamp
GTVFL3.0 3" Weld On Inlet Flange

According to my price sheets, the GT28/30/35 turbos all use the above flanges and clamps. The GT42/45 turbos go up to a 4" clamp and flange.
Stephanie

I stand corrected. I never measured but the outlet parts sure look bigger than the inlet.

Stephanie Turner 04-20-2010 04:47 PM


Originally Posted by TurboTim (Post 559236)
The outer diameter I do not know for sure, but I will assume it's...3.550". I'll let you guess where I figured that info from ;)

I could very well be wrong. I copy and paste info from Tial price sheets.
Stephanie

thagr81 us 04-20-2010 05:26 PM


Originally Posted by TurboTim (Post 559173)
Ohh mutherfer. Get the entire turbine housing solid model while you're at it.

I will see what I can do... :D

Edit: E-mail sent... I will post when I hear back. No go on that schematic. Just told me the flanges for the turbine housing were identical except it was the female rather than the male. I tried...

TurboTim 04-20-2010 10:09 PM

turbine inlet and turbine outlet flanges are not the same. Not even close. Sorta like saying BEGI's 3" downpipe is 3". OHH DAYUMM BBUUURNNNZZZZZEZEZZZZZZ! hehehe just bustin balls steph :makeout:

Each corresponding pair of flanges are the same obviously, one having a male lip and the other a female counterbore. The female end of each flange is part of the turbine housing.

TurboTim 04-20-2010 10:11 PM


Originally Posted by thagr81 us (Post 559418)
I will see what I can do... :D

Edit: E-mail sent... I will post when I hear back. No go on that schematic. Just told me the flanges for the turbine housing were identical except it was the female rather than the male. I tried...

Thanks for trying, not a big deal. I have a whole pile of tial turbine housings and flanges here that I will model at work.

Stephanie Turner 04-27-2010 05:01 PM


Originally Posted by TurboTim (Post 559591)
turbine inlet and turbine outlet flanges are not the same. Not even close. Sorta like saying BEGI's 3" downpipe is 3". OHH DAYUMM BBUUURNNNZZZZZEZEZZZZZZ! hehehe just bustin balls steph :makeout:

Surely you can understand my honest mistake. These are photos of how they come labeled from Tial. Do I get to say BBUUURNNNZZZZZEZEZZZZZZ now? :giggle:
Geez. High school was like 20 years ago already.

http://www.bellengineering.net/templ...s/P4270001.JPG

http://www.bellengineering.net/templ...s/P4270002.JPG
Stephanie

p.s. a 3" downpipe is a 3" OD outlet. If you do not like the way parts are sized, please feel free to challenge the entire industry at large. ;)


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