Originally Posted by TURNS101
(Post 465590)
So big hustler, what do you think about that 2nd link to the smaller 2871r??
Compressor map looks decent.
Originally Posted by Ben
(Post 465591)
Also, if you remember Andy Floyd, he ran a 3271 on a 1.9, and hit 300whp and 270wtq on a mustang. Target boost of 16 psi was achieved at 4700 rpm.
I don't know why the gt2860rs gets so much hate, its awesome on my car and i would not change the turbo in hindsight even on the old manifold. |
Same hot side works in my benefit. It will spin the compressor quicker..
The 2 different compressor trims are my question now for the 2871. The one map is very different than the other. I am wondering if the 48 trim spool faster. Ben, thanks for all the solid posts bro.. |
Originally Posted by hustler
(Post 465598)
I think 300whp is the ceiling for the .86 tater. The gt2860rs and the 2871 have the same hot side.
I made similar #'s and hit 16psi at 4200rpm on begi's cast manifold on a dynodynamics box. I don't know why the gt2860rs gets so much hate, its awesome on my car and i would not change the turbo in hindsight even on the old manifold. |
Originally Posted by TURNS101
(Post 465608)
So what if i jack that tater up to 20 psi on my ride??should be close to 300tq
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I want 300+rwtq on the mustang again. My car is simply an animal when I have 310/313...
Can the dam 2671r with the .64 hot side do this??? |
I forgot to inform everyone why I am rushing this so much. I have to have a decision in the morning.
I have a Pro Am event on the 16th. I need this car dyno'd and completely up to Formula Drift Spec. I am close, but there is still a decent amount of time for preperation. After I have the turbo it has to go on. See what other shit I have to change. Then get it tuned. So alot of shit for me.. Thats where I am at right now. I didnt plan on a 2nd turbo shitting out.. |
Call a garrett engineer. I'm no engineer, but I really think you want a custom turbo with aggressive wheels and tiny housings.
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2871 .64 is probably the simplest route to "tiny housings and aggressive wheels". but in this case I wouldn't call the housings tiny. this is a sub 2.0L motor remember.
I'm perfectly happy with my 2876 .64's ability to spool and have no question that it can produce 300 rwhp on a well tuned motor probably somewhere around 15 psi. sadly I have a high compression motor with a compromised tune so I will just wait for the next dyno day quietly now. |
so wait the warranty does not cover it? that sounds illegal to me.. you sign a warranty and they dont want to take care of their bs
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Originally Posted by hustler
(Post 465598)
I think 300whp is the ceiling for the .86 tater. The gt2860rs and the 2871 have the same hot side.
I made similar #'s and hit 16psi at 4200rpm on begi's cast manifold on a dynodynamics box. I don't know why the gt2860rs gets so much hate, its awesome on my car and i would not change the turbo in hindsight even on the old manifold. I fear the hotside is restrictive, and I think Jeremy's comments and observations are probably accurate. His statements were made after returning home from a paid trip to california where he tuned a 2871 car. We have seen some oddball turbos that don't live up fully to their compressor map potential, and the 2871 may be one of them. The 3071 appears to be a better combination of wheels. I think Andy Floyd showed this to us a few years ago, but no one paid attention to him, because he did it so goofy. If you recall, he had a 93 chassis with a cheap built 95 motor. The turbo was a 3271. His engine management consisted of the stock 93 electronics + a high pressure fuel pump + a pressure regulator + 330 injectors + a bipes. Sumbitch made 300 whp on a mustang, and his motor ran for years. Turbo : GT3271 .78a/r hotside -- .50 a/r coldside Manifold/DP : Log manifold w/ 2.5in DP Exhaust : 3" enthuza w/ thermal muffler I start making positive pressure around 3000rpm and have 7psi by 3500rpm. By the time Im at 3700rpm it starts really pulling and by 4300rpm or so in 3rd gear I have a full 16psi. 3000rpm = 1-2psi 3500rpm = 7psi 3700rpm = 10psi 3900rpm = 12psi 4100rpm = 14psi 4300rpm = 16-17psi Thats on a 1.8L bored .40 over with a ported 95 head. https://www.miataturbo.net/forum/att...6129-16psi.jpg Can you imagine how much more power and better spool Andy would have made if he had a 99 head with o/s valves? With solid TEC engine management? With bad ass TEC ignition? With just a few psi more boost? I think we need to spend more time looking at builds like what Andy, CCC, and Eliminator are doing. They are showing us that using small turbos is a mistake. |
dude you are drifting i would get the 3071 and be done with it. I doubt the 28xx series can support the torque you want and besides on the case of spool when you drift you can keep the motor above 4k anyway so with alil practice you should be good to go. But im partial to antiquated DSM turbos so i might just be talking out of my ass here.
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Turns, you need to remember that a .48 a/r on a Garrett turbo is much different than a .48 a/r on a T3. I think in order to match what you had before you will want a 2871 w/ a .64 a/r.
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Originally Posted by sbrian2
(Post 465731)
Turns, you need to remember that a .48 a/r on a Garrett turbo is much different than a .48 a/r on a T3. I think in order to match what you had before you will want a 2871 w/ a .64 a/r.
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Originally Posted by hustler
(Post 465680)
Call a garrett engineer.
I'm surprised I haven't seen any news reports about turbonetics employees with their faces punched in |
Originally Posted by hustler
(Post 465680)
Call a garrett engineer. I'm no engineer, but I really think you want a custom turbo with aggressive wheels and tiny housings.
They want you talking to their distributors. ATP wont talk to you about turbo sizing on the phone for some bullshit reason. At this point I am thinking of just getting a 2871 with a .62 a/r and just spinning it at 20psi and see what happens. I dont have time to get a custom jobber
Originally Posted by triple88a
(Post 465714)
so wait the warranty does not cover it? that sounds illegal to me.. you sign a warranty and they dont want to take care of their bs
Originally Posted by magnamx-5
(Post 465721)
dude you are drifting i would get the 3071 and be done with it. I doubt the 28xx series can support the torque you want and besides on the case of spool when you drift you can keep the motor above 4k anyway so with alil practice you should be good to go. But im partial to antiquated DSM turbos so i might just be talking out of my ass here.
Originally Posted by Asx
(Post 465821)
Jeff, do this. And don't forget to mention that you're a serious drifter running high level events so they don't think you're a drifttard.
I'm surprised I haven't seen any news reports about turbonetics employees with their faces punched in I am trying to walk a better path. if this were a few years ago there would be a shit ton of china charger housing thrown through their shit box office windows.. |
You could try to PM JKav. He is a Garret Turbo Systems engineer after all.
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Originally Posted by Ben
(Post 465880)
You could try to PM JKav. He is a Garret Turbo Systems engineer after all.
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Originally Posted by TURNS101
(Post 465877)
They covered it once, but not now.. Fuck them..
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call tial or a tial retailer. I bet you could call Twins Turbo and they'll talk to you, especially if you order a turbo through them. You can also try AMS, FP, or Alamo if you speak with Brice.
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Thank you everyone.
i really appreciate all of your input. I will let you know what happens.. |
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