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Old 09-04-2014, 08:39 PM   #1
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Default Who here has a Water to Air intercooler setup?

Show me some pictures please?
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Old 09-04-2014, 09:34 PM   #2
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or just google image it
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All find are pics with supercharger cars. Yuk!!
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All find are pics with supercharger cars. Yuk!!


Just hedging bets here, but i bet it looks almost exactly the same.

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been thinking of building something similar to Stillen water to air intercooler in the Ford Mustang. A concept like this will save a lot of space and be effective a hell.



What do you people think?
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I tried water to air for a while.

Then I put down the crack pipe. What a waste of time and energy! It made as much sense as plumbing a toilet into your home air conditioning.
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been thinking of building something similar to Stillen water to air intercooler in the Ford Mustang. A concept like this will save a lot of space and be effective a hell.


What do you people think?
1. It will require MORE space: 2 heat exchangers, pump, water reservoir, somewhere for all those water lines and electric pump power wires to go, hoses, hoses, hoses, clamps, custom fab, etc.

2. more weight at the front of the car where it shouldn't be. Again, two heat exchangers full of heavy, sloshy water.

3. effectiveness is limited unless you add complicated controls for the pump based on AIT that can account for heat soak and limited water capacity.

4. "Hell" is effective at heating things from what I've heard.
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As you can see. You end up with (2) air to water exchanges. All in the name of not having (2) easy-to-route charge pipes.

Drivers for a water system:
a) When you cannot use a FMIC or other easy-to-position air to air IC on the vehicle. Not the case with Miata.

b) Roots or twin scoll S/C's that deliver right into the intake.
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"keep it simple stupid"

water intercoolers have benefits in vehicle with air to air intercooler packaging restrictions. The Miata is not one of these vehicles.
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Old 09-05-2014, 02:46 PM   #11
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Not really I can cut 1/4 the of radiator in half and do two heat exchangers in one. Use a high speed fan kit and be done with it.

With regard to the Stillen intercooler design it looks like I can remove my A/A intercooler pipes, intercooler and corresponding bracket, save weight and run a very short pipe to the turbo. All I have to do is put is my mind and soul into building a custom intake manifold with integrated intercooler.
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Not really I can cut 1/4 the of radiator in half and do two heat exchangers in one. Use a high speed fan kit and be done with it.
This is the stupidest thing I have read in this thread so far, and there is a lot of stupid in here. Miata's already have marginal cooling systems and you want to remove radiator space.
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Not really I can cut 1/4 the of radiator in half and do two heat exchangers in one. Use a high speed fan kit and be done with it.

With regard to the Stillen intercooler design it looks like I can remove my A/A intercooler pipes, intercooler and corresponding bracket, save weight and run a very short pipe to the turbo. All I have to do is put is my mind and soul into building a custom intake manifold with integrated intercooler.


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On the upside, the 3/4 size radiator will now have nice cold intercooler water nearby to dump its heat into.
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This is the stupidest thing I have read in this thread so far, and there is a lot of stupid in here. Miata's already have marginal cooling systems and you want to remove radiator space.
What I see is a bunch negative people telling what I can and I can not do. I asked for pictures just to see what has been done.

Either way the issue that disturbs me the most is that I don't understand how so so many people run superchargers with Air/Water intercooler set ups and don't complaint about overheating.
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On the upside, the 3/4 size radiator will now have nice cold intercooler water nearby to dump its heat into.
very true. gold wrapped heatshield?
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What I see is a bunch negative people telling what I can and I can not do. I asked for pictures just to see what has been done.

Either way the issue that disturbs me the most is that I don't understand how so so many people run superchargers with Air/Water intercooler set ups and don't complaint about overheating.

Overheating what, exactly?


And what we're doing is drawing centuries of collective experience and telling that what you're talking about doing is a bad idea. Just because YOUR idea sucks doesn't mean that we're negative. It just means your idea sucks. If you want to try it anyways, go right on ahead.
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I asked for pictures just to see what has been done.
I broke the internet and deleted all my pictures of my setup. OH WAIT **** I DIDN'T, YOU'RE IN LUCK!









Either way the issue that disturbs me the most is that I don't understand how so so many people run superchargers with Air/Water intercooler set ups and don't complaint about overheating.[/QUOTE]

Maybe they don't run them on miatas. Of course many people with superchargers on a Miata are known for not giving a hoot about air intake temps. Many. Not all. Some people use centrifugal supers and don't *need* air-water intercoolers.
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Wait, how exactly is a couple gallons of water at 6lbs/gal supposed to be lighter than a few feet of aluminum intercooler piping at 0.58lb/ft. Not to mention the ~2lb water pump.
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The only real justification for an air to water setup in my opinion is in a dedicated high boost drag racing machine... or just to be different on a daily driver. From everything I have researched they are not suitable for a track car and could be marginal on an autocross car.

If you are doing it "just to be different" go right ahead... but remember that the kids who were "different" got picked on in school and it is the same here.

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