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DNMakinson 11-05-2017 04:31 PM

Missing your point.
1) Run 1 should be displayed on the left, unless you are in Asia.
2) Max HP and Torque are the same between the 2 runs.
3) Largest difference is that run 1 made torque at 3K: run 2 at 4K
4) Tuner changed scales, making run 2 look much weaker.

phil21191 11-05-2017 04:36 PM


Originally Posted by DNMakinson (Post 1449801)
Missing your point.
1) Run 1 should be displayed on the left, unless you are in Asia.
2) Max HP and Torque are the same between the 2 runs.
3) Largest difference is that run 1 made torque at 3K: run 2 at 4K
4) Tuner changed scales, making run 2 look much weaker.

1) that was just my stupidity when I screenshotted the two PDFs side by side
2 ) correct, this confuses me
3) Yep, 80ft/lbs is a big difference I need to double check the datalog to confirm boost was equal on both
4) I was with the dyno operator in the car, ramp rate was not changed at all.

There was another pull made after these two with the same power/torque/torque curve as run 2, the car was loaded back on the dyno 4 hours later and another 2 pulls made (With a lower ramp rate) and the power/torque/power curve were exactly the sane

phil21191 02-12-2018 05:48 AM

Pulled the head on saturday

Rods on 2 and 3 confirmed bent .

Looks like what we call 260ft-lbs flywheel is enough

Efini~FC3S 02-12-2018 09:03 AM

Props...bending OEM rods seems to be a right of passage for a lot of folks on this site...

phil21191 09-26-2018 11:55 AM

Long overdue update on this one. 12 months since the original damage and back to the strip. Cold day (14c/57f) and no wind

One decent pass, followed by an awful 60ft and a missed 2-3 shift then rained out for the day

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...916e6c80b0.jpg

DNMakinson 09-26-2018 02:55 PM

What did you find to be the issue?

phil21191 09-27-2018 04:58 PM


Originally Posted by DNMakinson (Post 1503538)
What did you find to be the issue?

Pulled the head, dropped a DTI on the block and measured piston heights at TDC, 2 and 3 were about 1.5mm lower in the bore. Very very minimal bend to the rods when I pulled them out.

Swapped in a used NB long block, retuned in on a Dyno to make a bit less torque and called it a day

18psi 09-27-2018 05:05 PM

So you're trapping 109 on another stock block? that's really good congrats

phil21191 09-28-2018 09:59 AM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1503742)
So you're trapping 109 on another stock block? that's really good congrats

Yep :) I guess enough power to trap 109-110mph is as much as reliably possible on a stock block

phil21191 03-08-2019 07:37 AM

Revisited the tune on this as I swapped to MS3 after the last time at the strip and have also swapped over to a MAF




First up comparison vs last time the car was on the same dyno, Red trace is the latest tune


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...30935ff2ca.jpg

And a Wastegate boost (~145kpa MAP) vs Max effort tune

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...e0038c24c1.jpg

DNMakinson 03-08-2019 09:30 AM

Nice to see you back.

phil21191 03-09-2019 05:37 AM


Originally Posted by DNMakinson (Post 1525891)
Nice to see you back.

I've been lurking. Started a new job back in November which eats up a lot of time

Tuning the MS3 on a MAF highlights really well how this "little" TD04 is right on the limit of its flow capability

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...62efb5cb73.png

phil21191 03-30-2019 07:42 PM

Hit the strip today with a sole focus on the launch. So spent the day messing with a few things.

The two 2.0x 60fts were leaving at 3200RPM with the car making close to 7psi on 2 step.

Missed a shift on the 4th pass, the two 2.6s the car bogged trying to use timed retard after launch on MS3. Boost was around 10-12kpa down compared to normal over 5500rpm

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...f8f0885036.jpg

sonofthehill 03-31-2019 12:43 PM

Not bad. It takes more EBC duty to maintain boost up top. I am typically between 4 and 4500 rpm on a launch under 2 seconds, but there are a lot of variables. Your car is pretty quick, probably eat most street driven cars.

phil21191 03-31-2019 12:53 PM


Originally Posted by sonofthehill (Post 1528994)
Not bad. It takes more EBC duty to maintain boost up top. I am typically between 4 and 4500 rpm on a launch under 2 seconds, but there are a lot of variables. Your car is pretty quick, probably eat most street driven cars.

I'd dampened the closed loop response a little a tame some overshoot using flat shift and hadn't gotten around to getting the bias table corrected to suit.

Just checked your thread and it looks like you seem to carry a lot more pace through the back half of the track

sonofthehill 03-31-2019 01:00 PM

I understand.

Yeah, my car is fast as hell, but I'm on really crappy tires. It messes with people during elimination sometimes. They slow down because they think I am far enough behind. My car is fast at the top of the track. My bottom end is forged, so I can push it a ton.

phil21191 06-01-2019 06:40 AM

60ft was balls. ET not so much

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...77fb0e2e70.jpg


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...9008ab30d6.jpg

18psi 06-01-2019 08:59 PM

great work :likecat:

DNMakinson 06-01-2019 09:52 PM

What boost were you running on the strip? And the rods seem intact this time? I’m hoping for similar numbers, if I ever get set up.

phil21191 06-02-2019 07:08 AM


Originally Posted by DNMakinson (Post 1537034)
What boost were you running on the strip? And the rods seem intact this time? I’m hoping for similar numbers, if I ever get set up.

14.5psi peak boost. Rods seem to be holding up absolutely fine, I've put 25 passes on the engine at this power level, trap speeds haven't changed at all. Its making a hair under 8psi on a 4k RPM launch

I don't think you'll realistically see the same power numbers on pump fuel.

Here's an MLV plot of manifold pressure vs RPM and TPS

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...34bec014bd.png


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