just dynoed at 20psi
 

hay let me know what you all think

99 miata built motor fm1 turbo kit and full 2.5 inch fm duals with cat on 20psi

That's pretty shitty for 20psi!
What turbo is that?

the older gt2560r none ball bearing

What other mods than built engine and cat back?

Still, should be plenty more power at 20 psi.
Something is wrong.
My guess is you will make more power at less psi.

no ac no ps link piggy back gutted intake manifold act six puck clutch and thats mostly it.

im doing my bmw m3 coil over plugs tonight

maybe that's 20 psi absolute.

yeah cause right now thats 20psi of crap. somethings gotta be wrong there

+1. Something is wrong. I made 212whp on my stock engine at 9psi. Granted, I have a T3/T4, but still...

Thoes numbers are great for a 1.6 greddy at 15psi!

congrats, you have the power output of a 1.6L at 15psi with the same turbo :brain:

lol what do you guys think i should do to make the rest of the power i am hoping to see 300whp. i did 3 pulls on the dyno yesterday. every thing in and on my motor is new the only thing i could think is killing power is the timing and fuel. but its hard to find people with link ecus to get help.

I was going to try and take up for you, but one of my friends said that's Al's old dyno. :giggle: my local DD reads about 25hp less than that one. I still don't think it's a horrible number for a DD, but nothing stellar. take it to the track and see what it traps, better indication of power than a dyno IMO.

tq curve looks good.

my 2560 setup made 250 at 8.99 psi.

i know Al he works at ics now lol dyno trash

paul i dont know what you feed your miata but i want in

dyno dynamics dynos do tend to read about 12-15% low. did they correct for that on that plot or no?

Absurdflow mani, BEGI intake manifold, great tune, 3" exhaust, etc, etc...

now that i think about it i did not see him do the correction

get absurdflow.

Guys, he's using the Link Piggyback. From what I know, that thing doesn't have the ignition fidelity to do a whole lot from a timing perspective, so he's down a ton of power there... and we all know how awesome 5th injector setups work.

OP, did you do pulls at different boost settings, or start out low and work your way up to 20psi, or did you just pay the $50 for 3pulls w/o Wideband and call it a day? With that much boost, if your AFR is off, or your timing curve has any sort of funkiness about it, you're gonna end up testing just how "built" your motor is.

I would turn down the boost until you can log some AFR's, and if you're going to stick with the Link piggy, an EGT gauge will be a good investment toward getting your timing curve optimized.

i did pulls i did not play with timing i just played with my air fuels to get them right. i did not have any pinging. so i said its good for now.

lol you mean the extra 4 injectors

i wish i had a set of old emission rollers so i could use them for load to tune my car

Did you contact FM for some link support?

I dont know the link well, but you may want to look into some other engine management to take advantage of your build.

I hope to have a dyno plot soon on my built 99. Then we can compare notes.
I run a TechIIIr for management.

I'm in the "Something's wrong I make more power with much less boost" crowd too.

I'd say if the Link is what's holding you back, get rid of it. As much as you have sunk into that engine and running that much psi, 240 hp is unacceptable.

It's not good for now. FM recommends only 9psi MAX on the Link Piggy. It doesn't have the fidelity to provide fuel and timing correction for the amount of boost you're running. Are you enabling any sort of timing correction, or are you running the stock ECU's timing map?

DUDE, YOU NEED TO TURN THE BOOST DOWN!

Would you also mind telling me exactly what the fuel setup is? Extra injectors? How many? What size? Do you have any graphs of your fuel curve? Normally that stuff is printed out on the bottom of the dyno curve. What did your AFR's look like?

You haven't looked at ignition at all? What targets did you shoot for in your A/F? Even if you hadn't touched ignition and had a good A/F, then you should be making more than this. Are you using the stock fuel pump? What are the 4 extra injectors rated at? i know they have that goofy special intake manifold with the second injector inlets for the link piggy.

I agree you need to turn the boost down and figure this out. That ecu can't manage this level of power.

yeah those numbers are way too low. i make 243whp on a 1.6 /w td04 at 1 bar.

I was expecting to see ~300hp, not 240... yep, something is wrong. I'm going to blame the link. Is the 2560 even efficient at 20psi? What exactly is gutted on the intake manifold?

20psi? a 99 with that turbo would be make that power at 10psi. Something is wrong.

don't worry, he will blow the motor soon and he won't have to worry about getting it set up right, it will just be a paper weight.

People without a turbo on their car should not be talking so much shit methinks.

Oh wait, thats me. ;) But yeah, I agree. Something has to be major wrong to make that low of a number. Even a shit tune and shit compression would surely make more than 240 at 20psi.

D'oh! :facepalm:

I just looked at his username and assumed this was a 1.6 running the Full Link. Didn't even bother actually checking the sig. Makes a lot more sense now.

Why would you buy a built FM motor and not spring for a Hydra, or some other real EMU?

fm can just tune it over the phone.

i retuned the ecu the try tuning it the wrong why the car feels alot better and the boost is down to 16psi i should have a new dyno sheet tomorrow. my air fuels are alot more stable and my timing is set better. im am saving for an Adaptronic Standalone, a forced performance sr20 20g, intercooler, and injectors. and what ever i my need

i did not buy a fm built motor if i had money like that i would have alot more work.

You're not answering the questions people are asking you.
HOW MANY INJECTORS?
WHAT SIZE ARE THEY?
WHAT ARE YOU AFR'S?
WHAT EXACTLY ARE YOU ADJUSTING THE TIMING TO?
HOW DID YOU RETUNE THE ECU? WIDEBAND? BACK TO THE DYNO?

Man, your first post in this thread says "let me know what y'all think". Do you really want to know what I think, or am I wasting my time. You're still at nearly double the boost FM recommends for that ECU, and for some reason you refuse to tell us anything useful about what you're doing. This board will help you get the most out of your setup and make sure you don't blow your motor in the process, but you seem hell-bent on boosting the shit out of it in the face of overwhelming evidence that it's a bad fucking idea... what exactly is the goal of this thread?

Please blow your motor up, sell your car cheap to a forum member, and never post here again.

Exactly. And what are your intake temps @ 20 psi?

Sam,

And Hey Newbe! Put your correct location in your sig!

sorry ass holes

HOW MANY INJECTORS? 8 - 4 stock and 4 550cc
WHAT SIZE ARE THEY? 230 and 550cc
WHAT ARE YOU AFR'S? at 16psi 10.5 10.6
WHAT EXACTLY ARE YOU ADJUSTING THE TIMING TO? i add 1 degree of timing and do a pull to see if i ping
HOW DID YOU RETUNE THE ECU? i reset it to the stock fm table 2 and worked off that starting at wastegate.
WIDEBAND? yes aem
BACK TO THE DYNO? yes later today

so fucking blow me

it says my location ct dumb fuck

Look man. You came here asking for advice, but wouldn't answer any of our questions to help you. We asked them multiple times, but you just went on about other stuff. You aren't paying attention to what our questions are when we are trying to help you. We are the assholes?

I like how you quoted an important question in the above post, but then just chose to call the guy a dumb fuck while still not answering the question.

What were your intake temps?
Are you using the stock fuel pump?
Did the link initially come with the 550cc extra injectors?
If not, did you make the correct adjustments for those instead of maybe 440cc stock settings?
Do you have an afr log that we can look at?

oh boy now I want to help!

I've been around the block with this guy once...we kissed and made up (almost bought a turbo kit from him), but the type of person that likes to blow up on folks will always do so, and miss the good advice in the process.


OP:

Sam was trying to help, while simultaneously pointing out how easily you could have royally fuxored your motor. You have also been vague about important details that will help the more senior members here diagnose your difficulty.

Wanna have a high dollar setup pushing low dollar power?

Fine, then keep being the turd no one can find a long enough stick to pick up.


Wanna make real power?

Then help us help you and get the sand out of your vagina.

It's probably good that I don't have the power to ban people here. There would be like 6, maybe 7 active members. Tops.

Thats OK, I've got a few guys like that who work for me now. You've gotta be a little gentle with them, stroke their ego very subtly so they don't know that's what you're doing. It's pretty easy because they're not very smart at all. I think at least 2 of them were beaten up a lot as kids, the other 2 are clearly gay (don't ask, don't tell). They've all been in jail a couple times for bar-fights and doing the stupidest fucking things you can imagine when they're drunk. The worst part about guys like that is the extra work they cause others... and the fact that they don't seem to give a shit who they inconvenience. I spend more time on these 4 fucks, with paperwork, counseling, supervision, etc... than I do on my other 80 guys.

i just get pissed cuz im not always on and i did not get to read what people were asking me stuff and then there thinking i am some ass hole i hate saying shit i just wish people never rushed for info. i just hate when one person say something and then other people are going along and the thread just goes to hell. ill give you all the info you guys want on my car. i just not on to see the posts you guys are posting untill gets to the point of were it looks like i asked for help then i fuck you all and thats not the way i am.

next time type out your angry post and let it sit there without hitting "POST" for 30 minutes. then come back and reread it before you post. i bet you edit out all the parts that make you sound like a dick before hitting the button...

ya well im leaving my house now to go to the shop to get my car back up on the dyno. power leaves should be better i hope lol. still want standalone!!!!!

Why are you going back to the dyno? I am going to be honest in saying that i don't think you have any clue at all of what you are doing in tuning, so why are you trying to tune it again? You need to diagnose what is causing your problem or get someone else who knows how to tune the car for you. If you can't find that, you need to do some serious reading and learning about the ECU before going back to the dyno.

You are putting the cart way before the horse on this man. I know you want to have a fun fast car, but you are going to screw something up becasue you are using a piggyback for way more than what it was designed for and on top of that you don't know how to tune it. Bad combination man.

He shoulda gone to Nico's...

That was directed to SamNavy, private joke....fart knocker!:fawk:

The 2560 really starts to shine above 20psi. You are being too soft on it. Crank the boost up. Add some timing. Take some fuel out. It's all good.

Oh my. Are you running 20psi with no intercooler, stock sized injectors, a turbo thats no good above 15psi, no ignition, a link ems well above 9psi? If so, just send your motor to me and i'll make use of it. BTW good sir, you fail in the most epic way.:facepalm: I read this post 3 times before I had even begun to start understanding it.

Obviously you needed to read a 4th or 5th time.

Instead of just jumping on the bandwagon and abusing the OP, why not read? He is using 4 aux 550cc injectors in addition to the stockers.

You wont see 300whp with a 2560 on a dyno dynamics...no matter how much you push it

remember that the dynojet correction is about 1.15 so that would be 345whp and I have never seen a 2560 do that

I read, didnt understand, and abused. My bad. I saw that post and ignored it. Frankly enough, I dont give a flying fuck

Man, this thread went south fast. Love people that want help, then act like a dick and still expect helpful responses. Especially when not answering peoples questions. Thats how you get problems solved!

Good luck at the dyno, maybe you will get 250!!! :loser: :laugh: j/k