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Faeflora 10-12-2012 11:18 PM

Soviet Era Car, Space Age Turbo. EFR 6758
 
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Here are the results for Soviet's car

NA something miata
1.9L
wiseco pistons
belfab rods
stock crappy 1.8 had
stock intake bitches
wittyworks mini tubular manifold
precision 600hp IC
Megasquirt 3x
EFR 6758
26psi

400hp, 326tq

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viperormiata 10-12-2012 11:25 PM

Awesome results.

Faeflora 10-12-2012 11:41 PM

Again, driving this car was absolutely awesome. Very very very very quick. Would easily would have raped my GT3071 just by power under the curve. Would easily rape my s366 unless i did a like, 70mph roll race :p

Rolling burnout through third gear is a lot of fun too. I highly recommend this setup for getting groceries.

18psi 10-12-2012 11:44 PM

I am excite

wittyworks 10-12-2012 11:54 PM

Pumped! Now I have to find a reason to come out to DC...

bcrx7 10-13-2012 12:00 AM

Those are great numbers at only 24psi! Nicely done!

EO2K 10-13-2012 12:10 AM

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Holy BALLS! https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1350101423 Nice job mang!

NOW, WHERE IS THE VIDEO? WHY ARE MY EARS NOT BLEEDING FROM THE RAPE?!

thirdgen 10-13-2012 12:12 AM

What gears / tranny?

Faeflora 10-13-2012 12:42 AM


Originally Posted by EO2K (Post 938856)
Holy BALLS!l!
NOW, WHERE IS THE VIDEO? WHY ARE MY EARS NOT BLEEDING FROM THE RAPE?!


Car is actually very quiet. The muffler really muffles a lot.



Originally Posted by thirdgen (Post 938857)
What gears / tranny?

5thgear in 6spd. 3.9 right lenny



Originally Posted by bcrx7 (Post 938854)
Those are great numbers at only 24psi! Nicely done!

I wana see what your turbo does at 40psi mr 8374 :p

dk wolf 10-13-2012 12:46 AM

Oh my god, that looks fantastic.
I wonder how long this car will last before something breaks. hahha

thirdgen 10-13-2012 12:50 AM

Please tell me more about that orange line coming off the breather. Where does it go, and details/ etc.

buffon01 10-13-2012 01:15 AM

O_o

Joe Perez 10-13-2012 01:29 AM


Originally Posted by thirdgen (Post 938871)
Please tell me more about that orange line coming off the breather. Where does it go, and details/ etc.

Looks photoshopped. The shadows are all wrong. Definitely fake.

viperormiata 10-13-2012 01:35 AM


Originally Posted by Joe Perez (Post 938878)
Looks photoshopped. The shadows are all wrong. Definitely fake.

Agreed. I'm calling BS on the entire thing. That shop looks sketchy and not reputable, like Sound Performance. Also, I noticed the location is not Greece, so let's be honest, it's really 240whp at best.

18psi 10-13-2012 01:45 AM


Originally Posted by viperormiata (Post 938880)
Agreed. I'm calling BS on the entire thing. That shop looks sketchy and not reputable, like Sound Performance. Also, I noticed the location is not Greece, so let's be honest, it's really 240whp at best.

speaking of which, where is your butt buddy?

viperormiata 10-13-2012 01:53 AM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 938883)
speaking of which, where is your butt buddy?

Don't wanna thread crap/drift too much. Short version: federal agent working out of LA, drives some big ass Mercedes to pull ho's, miata is being finished eventually.

Leonid, Faeballs, Mr.Ican'tmakeaproperworkingMS, we need vids pronto.

hustler 10-13-2012 01:57 AM

Holy fuck!

99mx5 10-13-2012 02:10 AM

Yeah buddy!!

bcrx7 10-13-2012 02:25 AM


Originally Posted by Faeflora (Post 938869)

I wana see what your turbo does at 40psi mr 8374 :p

I'm going for 30-32PSI max. I better get my 575 crank power at that point!

Reverant 10-13-2012 03:38 AM

Was somehow expecting a little more. Got 420whp on the GT3076 car, with the ignition retarded 5 degrees due to no water in the WI system and me not noticing on the final pulls. 5 degrees is like 40-50whp on this setup. Ok, that was at 29psi though.

So, in another news, IN SOVIET RUSSIA, BOOST TURNS UP YOU!

sturovo 10-13-2012 03:52 AM


Originally Posted by Joe Perez (Post 938878)
Looks photoshopped. The shadows are all wrong. Definitely fake.

obviously seafoamed :drool:

well done Soviet, this is most impressive!

shuiend 10-13-2012 07:51 AM


Originally Posted by thirdgen (Post 938871)
Please tell me more about that orange line coming off the breather. Where does it go, and details/ etc.

It goes to a catch can which is mounted on the passenger side firewall. It is a -12an line covered in fire sleeve.

Those numbers look amazing.

TurboTim 10-13-2012 10:06 AM

HoleeShitman strikes again.

Braineack 10-13-2012 11:01 AM

I was going to drive over and meet up to this...but my 220rwhp is so slow i count make it. I went into reverse and cried.

I need to see what one of those turbos could do on a 1.6L...that's just crazy impressive.

skidude 10-13-2012 11:25 AM

Well that looks like fun!

Faeflora 10-13-2012 12:04 PM

Soviet is busy having victory secx with his harem so i will answer quesions in hus stead.


Originally Posted by bcrx7 (Post 938895)
I'm going for 30-32PSI max. I better get my 575 crank power at that point!

If you only make 550whp at that psi then there is zero hope for me to break 600 with my s366 at the same psi. Balls.


Originally Posted by Reverant (Post 938904)
Was somehow expecting a little more. Got 420whp on the GT3076 car, with the ignition retarded 5 degrees due to no water in the WI system and me not noticing on the final pulls. 5 degrees is like 40-50whp on this setup. Ok, that was at 29psi though.

So, in another news, IN SOVIET RUSSIA, BOOST TURNS UP YOU!


Yah. So.

Details on the three runs:

Run 1: Wastegate, 17psi
Run 2: 23psi
Run 3: 26psi, plus 2* timing

I think the car can hit 450hp on e85 and 10psi more :D. The little power taper up top could probably be flattened up with more timing in the last two columns.

soviet 10-13-2012 07:50 PM


Originally Posted by Faeflora (Post 938956)
Soviet is busy having victory secx with his harem so i will answer quesions in hus stead.

Yus. after dyno, we went to some ------ry "car meet" because it just happened to be next door. Scott promised to show up - didn't. After that I spent time with le girlfriend and went to autox today. Just got home.

Car rapes face, turbine wheel didn't explode. Autocrossed at 300whp (wastegate pressure) Autocross is pointless in this car right now because it just spins wheels. Its a hoot but wears out tires quickly. So I'm going to stop autox. Problem solved.


Originally Posted by thirdgen (Post 938871)
Please tell me more about that orange line coming off the breather. Where does it go, and details/ etc.

Lars is correct, it's a -12AN line going to a catch can with a breather. It's always dry. I get vapor out of the catch can, that's about it. PCV hole is welded shut.


Originally Posted by thirdgen (Post 938857)
What gears / tranny?

6 speed, 3.9 gears, 5th gear on dyno.

18psi 10-13-2012 08:28 PM

So has MT finally found the "HOLY GRAIL"?:D

soviet 10-13-2012 08:55 PM

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And here's what everyone really cares about.
http://s95367906.onlinehome.us/photo...EFR6258.png???

However, I don't think that chart fully represents EFR6258. Simply because back then I had very simplistic boost control (open-loop EBC with boost duty table that just had same duty % everywhere).

So here's an example of EFR6258 with my simplistic boost control vs EFR6758 on just wastegate - 17-18psi vs like 17psi peak on wastegate. 6258 clearly wins in spool.
http://s95367906.onlinehome.us/photo...EFR6258.png???

And finally, closed-loop EBC vs wastegate on EFR6758. This clearly shows how superior closed-loop EBC is and why you'd be stupid to not run it.
http://s95367906.onlinehome.us/photo...-wastegate.png

24.5 vs 17psi, identical timing map on both runs.

18psi 10-13-2012 09:07 PM

holy sh

:drool:

hustler 10-13-2012 09:44 PM

That poor transmission, lol.

soviet 10-13-2012 10:00 PM


Originally Posted by hustler (Post 939053)
That poor transmission, lol.

Pretty sure I'm at the limit of my drivetrain and I DO NOT want to play the expensive "lets stuff a drivetrain from another car into a miata" game.

Full_Tilt_Boogie 10-14-2012 02:14 AM

Thats what I would expect.

Now put some cams in it.

Faeflora 10-14-2012 03:24 AM


Originally Posted by Full_Tilt_Boogie (Post 939099)
Thats what I would expect.

Now put some cams in it.

How about I put some wiener in your puss?

pdexta 10-14-2012 10:06 AM

Awesome numbers, congrats.

Fae said "stock crappy 1.8 head" is that a NA head? 99-00? 01+? I guess I need to go study your build thread, I want my car to be just like yours when it grows up.

shuiend 10-14-2012 10:10 AM


Originally Posted by pdexta (Post 939121)
Awesome numbers, congrats.

Fae said "stock crappy 1.8 head" is that a NA head? 99-00? 01+? I guess I need to go study your build thread, I want my car to be just like yours when it grows up.

Soviet is running a stock 94-97 1.8 head.

18psi 10-14-2012 02:09 PM

Actually its a 99-00 IIRC

Faeflora 10-14-2012 02:36 PM

Imagine the dyno chart with VVT. Faster spool. Better top end. :drool:

18psi 10-14-2012 02:49 PM

I wouldn't do anything for top end. But faster spool, most definitely

Der_Idiot 10-14-2012 03:09 PM

VVT head, porting and a turbo intake if he doesn't already have one. That spool is pretty badass though, not going to lie. If I only had 5k to throw down on my car...

18psi 10-14-2012 03:21 PM

turbo intake?

Faeflora 10-14-2012 03:31 PM

Frankly, the car drives amazingly as is. The only thing I'd want is longer gears and a higher redline.

bcrx7 10-14-2012 03:47 PM


Originally Posted by Faeflora (Post 938956)
If you only make 550whp at that psi then there is zero hope for me to break 600 with my s366 at the same psi. Balls.

I will know in a couple of months!

Der_Idiot 10-14-2012 06:29 PM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 939193)
turbo intake?

Short runners, big plenum, etc.

18psi 10-14-2012 07:11 PM

putting a short runner mani on this car would be incredibly stupid

we're all drooling at his torque under curve and you're suggesting he reduce it? lol

soviet 10-15-2012 10:30 AM


Originally Posted by pdexta (Post 939121)
Awesome numbers, congrats.

Fae said "stock crappy 1.8 head" is that a NA head? 99-00? 01+? I guess I need to go study your build thread, I want my car to be just like yours when it grows up.

Yeah it's a 99-00 head I picked up from a junkyard. The only thing I did to it was machine the head surface flat.

I have a VVT head in garage and while sure, I may not necessary pick anything up from just having VVT vs 99 head - the purpose with the VVT head is to build/port it for a higher revlimiter and better flow.

soviet 10-15-2012 10:32 AM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 939193)
turbo intake?

I want a nice intake but its the lowest priority item right now. Gotpsi IM is close to $1000 and I'd rather spend that money on tires :party:

EO2K 10-15-2012 11:44 AM


Originally Posted by soviet (Post 939411)
I want a nice intake but its the lowest priority item right now. Gotpsi IM is close to $1000 and I need to spend that money on tires :party:

FTFY :giggle:

This would just get that much more crazy with VVT. If you had to guess and without becoming physically ill, how far into this build are you dollar wise?

m2cupcar 10-15-2012 12:32 PM

Is the boost rising to redline? Just wondering what's keeping torque up as typically the stock manifold was "blamed" for torque drop post peak with rpm rise.

18psi 10-15-2012 12:50 PM

I'm very interested in this too. But then usually its not just torque drop that others experience. Its power drop too. This thing does neither

bcrx7 10-15-2012 01:36 PM

So with the VVT, are people actually noticing HP difference? I just don't understand why the factory didn't use it on the Speed Miata (Mazda hasn't always been known for good decisions, so this might've been another case!) My 99 head is ported for my engine and so on, but just for future since the engine will be rebuilt once a year at least anyways.

18psi 10-15-2012 01:41 PM

VVT does nothing past 3 or 4k rpm iirc
Just lowend/spool

Braineack 10-15-2012 01:48 PM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 939242)
putting a short runner mani on this car would be incredibly stupid

we're all drooling at his torque under curve and you're suggesting he reduce it? lol


this. I probably wouldn't change a thing as far as the IM is concerned... Has great spool for the turbo size and holds very well to redline.

bcrx7 10-15-2012 02:14 PM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 939491)
VVT does nothing past 3 or 4k rpm iirc
Just lowend/spool

Alright, basically where I won't be on the track! I just like to simplify the car as much as possible!

soviet 10-15-2012 02:30 PM


Originally Posted by m2cupcar (Post 939454)
Is the boost rising to redline? Just wondering what's keeping torque up as typically the stock manifold was "blamed" for torque drop post peak with rpm rise.

EBC holds boost to redline - flat like Keira Knightley. Addressing the torque drop in high rpm was most important to me. Here's the things I've changed:
- obviously bigger compressor wheel with different compressor map
- VICS works and activates at 5000
- magic timing map made by Faeflora, with timing ramping up about 6* from 5.5k to redline
- sacrificed a goat??


Originally Posted by bcrx7 (Post 939489)
So with the VVT, are people actually noticing HP difference? I just don't understand why the factory didn't use it on the Speed Miata (Mazda hasn't always been known for good decisions, so this might've been another case!) My 99 head is ported for my engine and so on, but just for future since the engine will be rebuilt once a year at least anyways.

My reasoning for using VVT in future is not "VVT is magical" but "if I'm going to spend $$$ on a head, might as well be a VVT head"

soviet 10-15-2012 02:41 PM


Originally Posted by EO2K (Post 939435)
If you had to guess and without becoming physically ill, how far into this build are you dollar wise?

I think I'm at $20k for everything including the car, and there's a good chunk of money in suspension/brakes/tires - non-turbo stuff, basically.

Braineack 10-15-2012 02:41 PM


Originally Posted by soviet (Post 939514)
- magic timing map made by Faeflora, with timing ramping up about 6* from 5.5k to redline


have you tuned the timing latency?

soviet 10-15-2012 02:48 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 939520)
have you tuned the timing latency?

I'm on a 36-1T trigger wheel, what latency?

Braineack 10-15-2012 02:59 PM

HAve you checked if the timing retards as the RPMs increase? should do it with the timing locked and using a timing light. This is part of the proceedure during initial setup.

soviet 10-15-2012 03:02 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 939535)
HAve you checked if the timing retards as the RPMs increase? should do it with the timing locked and using a timing light. This is part of the proceedure during initial setup.

Nope, haven't checked and already took off timing plastic plate thingy. Timing latency is only an issue if you're using a CAS for primary tach signal. Stretchy timing belt and all.


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