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Old 07-25-2014, 04:05 PM   #1
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Default 2002 VVT swap into 90, which ECU?

We need VVT controller, this is a car without P/S or A/C.

Options I'm wondering about while comparing the best price.

1. MS2 basic with separate VVT controller (buddy has one used for sale) Can get this for $800 total.

2. MS2 enhanced with VVT option (I saw this on Reverant's comparo chart, but I've yet to get a price)

3. MS3 that comes with VVT controls. $960

I won't be doing the install or tuning as I don't possess these mad skillz, relying on Curly's expertise.
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MS3 basic from Reverant, if you don't need AC or PS that's the way to go for sure. PM him for a price. Unless there's something you see on the chart that the Enhanced MS2 has that the MS3 basic doesn't have.
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Even with PS and AC my MS3 from Rev works perfectly.

Go with the Ms3, plug it in and drive. Tuning is easy... plug it into your laptop and drive around. Install is also super easy just get the few extra parts you'll need and wire it up. Hardest part is locating/ securing the actual box.
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I agree with the above Ryan, just for reference.

One complete unit that controls both the engine and the VVT is always going to be better than two boxes, one of which is slightly out of date (MS2 vs. MS3).

$160 difference isn't worth all the hassle the MS3 would save you, plus it's an upgrade.
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^^LOL. Thanks.

What sort of turn around time/delivery time do you guys see?

Thanks for feedback.
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One complete unit that controls both the engine and the VVT is always going to be better than two boxes, one of which is slightly out of date (MS2 vs. MS3).
Having two boxes is just a hassle when installing, but having two separate softwares for tuning and logging is a nightmare every time you touch it.

That's what made me get the MS3 Basic although the VVTuner+DIYPNP can do everything I need. Fitting the behemoth of a box does not reduce the value of having everything in TS.
Getting support from Rev is worth a lot as well.
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Turnaround time for mine was not quick, but the wait was well worth it when it came to ease of setup and tuning. Once I figured out how to mount it, it was as simple as starting the car, turning on autotune, and I drove away.
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Having two boxes is just a hassle when installing, but having two separate softwares for tuning and logging is a nightmare every time you touch it.

That's what made me get the MS3 Basic although the VVTuner+DIYPNP can do everything I need. Fitting the behemoth of a box does not reduce the value of having everything in TS.
Getting support from Rev is worth a lot as well.
In all fairness, the basemap on VVTuner is the product of extensive tuning on a $70k load bearing dyno. It will require very little to no tuning for any normal application. I think it is fair to say that there is no other competing VVT controlling product on the market that can match VVTuner as far as the basemap is concerned.

One of our engineers has a MSPNP2 and VVTuner controlling his 01 swapped 90. Car runs great and is a hoot to drive.
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Fair enough, you're saying it's a solid product. Can you claim it's better than your competitors?
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I am unaware of VVTuner having any competitors. Even it it did, it would be extremely difficult to control the BP-6D's cam any better than VVTuner does. It was purpose designed and programmed just for that purpose, and it's cheap to boot.

The only thing that would make it better (to some) would be a VVTuner sold as a DIY kit. Which is something on our agenda.
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he's confused and needs to do a whole lot more reading before asking any more questions
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I guess my question is a MS2 +VVT Tuner better than a MS3?
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absolutely not
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I think it is fair to say that there is no other competing VVT controlling product on the market that can match VVTuner as far as the basemap is concerned.
I would disagree, obviously. Kind of ridiculous of you to make such a statement, actually. I'm sure VVTuner has a great basemap, but saying that it is obviously better than every other product is arrogant to a fault.
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I agree with the above Ryan, just for reference.

One complete unit that controls both the engine and the VVT is always going to be better than two boxes, one of which is slightly out of date (MS2 vs. MS3).

$160 difference isn't worth all the hassle the MS3 would save you, plus it's an upgrade.
+1

I installed my ms3 from reverent on a Tuesday and was able to be at an auto-x on Saturday without many issues.
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I would disagree, obviously. Kind of ridiculous of you to make such a statement, actually. I'm sure VVTuner has a great basemap, but saying that it is obviously better than every other product is arrogant to a fault.
Seeing as how the product was conceptualized and designed for the sole purpose of this application (IE, is not a generic product that can be purposed for the BP-6D), I beg to differ. Everything about the product design--hardware, firmware, software, and tune--was purpose designed for the application. The lead engineer actually personally owns the engine and uses the product. The basemap was developed after tuning on our in-house Dynapack 4000, so tuning was not rushed in any way due to dyno rental concerns, and multiple cars have been tested.

These have been on the market for 4 years now or so, with tons sold. We have many reports from many users verifying that the base map is spot on. I have highest confidence in the product, it's not arrogance.
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I'm sure it's a great product, dude. I never suggested otherwise. It's a unique product with no specific competitor (standalone VVT control) and it does exactly what it's designed to do. You don't need to indiscriminately disparage your competitors' ECUs to highlight the qualities of your own product. Doing so makes you look like an arrogant *****.

IOW, consider bring the quality of your posts up to the level of your products.
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Before this goes too far...
I really appreciate the feedback from everyone. I plan to order Reverant ' s MS3 very soon.
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yes, let's keep the name calling out of this.

Either option sounds like a great deal Ryan, and just to add fuel to the fire, you need to remember I know nothing about VVT tuning, so I probably would load DIY's base map and never touch it, unless you want to research a VVT map that might work better.
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