27 inputs and 13 outputs ecu
Hey,
I'm starting my upgrade process of my current turbo miata with diypnp. I'm going big power and I want a lot of info from the engine. My current inputs list: tps cam crank clt clutch turbo speed egt (x4?) manifold back pressure turbo inlet temp turbo outlet temp after ic temp map ac knock baro fuel pressure oil temp oil pressure launch control switch o2 electric load steering load log switch fuel map switch spark map switch ebc map switch My outputs list: inj x4 ign x2 ebc fuel pump fan ac idle pwm valve shift light tacho What ecu would be best for the mission ? Any IOs I can not implement ? It is a NA8 1997 Thanks ! Elior |
All this and you aint even using sequential ignition? The shit I bolded below is all standard on any MS2/MS3/MSpro/Hydra. As for the rest of your inputs, what are you planning on doing with them? I get a few of them like oil pressure and egt, but some of the stuff like electric load seems fairly pointless. And if "steering load" is just the PS pressure switch, yeah, they all do that too.
My current inputs list: tps cam crank clt clutch turbo speed egt (x4?) manifold back pressure turbo inlet temp turbo outlet temp after ic temp -AIT map ac knock baro fuel pressure oil temp oil pressure launch control switch o2 electric load steering load log switch fuel map switch spark map switch ebc map switch My outputs list: inj x4 ign x2 ebc fuel pump fan ac idle pwm valve shift light tacho |
I don't really see the point in seq ign, running wasted spark on COP is easy to do and works the same - correct me if I'm wrong.
Electric load input can help idle drop - if do able on NA8 Steering load is built in the car I just want to utilize it. My question is what ecu do I need for this amount of IOs (all at the same time of course) Turbo speed, inlet temp and outlet temp will allow me to pinpoint my location on the turbo map - and I like data... |
Originally Posted by elior77
(Post 1382911)
I don't really see the point in seq ign, running wasted spark on COP is easy to do and works the same - correct me if I'm wrong.
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Do you refer to wasted spark on COP ?
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its still wasted spark.
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As I learn, the only thing that is effected is the dwell time, and if that is not a problem then it will provide the same results.
seq ign or not, what ecu can give me all the IOs I want ? |
one with CAN inputs.
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Or if you want off-the-shelf, MS3 Pro Ultimate (preorder, also has CAN) which has 12 general-purpose 0-5v inputs.
By the way, you're also missing VVT output. Going for "big power" with an NA8 head is silly. |
I got what I got which is NA8 and with 6265 it will make 400hp flywheel - that's my goal.
Enhanced MS3 looks right, what do you think ? https://www.mslabs.gr/mslc.html |
So you want an ECU with 27 inputs and 13 outputs, but the VVT head is just too much trouble to find?
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You need to do your own fucking research and stop asking to be spoonfed.
Call the people who make an ECU you want and ask if they can do it. Stop asking other people to do figure your shit out. |
The Vvt head will add complexty and as I saw on the dyno, my friends vvt and my na8 put out the same numbers, vvt gave a nice bump down low.
I tuned them both. |
Originally Posted by elior77
(Post 1382907)
Hey,
I'm starting my upgrade process of my current turbo miata with diypnp. I'm going big power and I want a lot of info from the engine. My current inputs list: tps - Analog cam - VR input crank - VR input clt - Analog clutch - Digital turbo speed - (Will need an outside converter box for megasquirt. Other ECUs may support this fast an input built in) egt (x4?) - (Megasquirt will need a separate box with 4 EGT circuits, some ECUs support this built in) manifold back pressure - Analog turbo inlet temp - Analog turbo outlet temp - Analog after ic temp - Analog map - Analog ac - Digital knock - Megasquirt needs a knock module, Uses its own pins baro - Analog fuel pressure - Analog oil temp - Analog oil pressure - Analog launch control switch - Digital o2 - Analog electric load - Voltage drops? Dunno, stupid steering load - Analog log switch - Digital fuel map switch - Digital spark map switch - Digital ebc map switch - Digital (or analog if you ball out and do variable boost control knob) My outputs list: inj x4 ign x2 ebc fuel pump fan ac idle pwm valve shift light tacho What ecu would be best for the mission ? Any IOs I can not implement ? It is a NA8 1997 Thanks ! Elior Now go find an ECU that does that. |
Originally Posted by elior77
(Post 1382947)
I tuned them both.
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Originally Posted by aidandj
(Post 1382946)
You need to do your own fucking research and stop asking to be spoonfed.
Call the people who make an ECU you want and ask if they can do it. Stop asking other people to do figure your shit out. I do my research and ask the manufacturers, part of my research is to ask here, some of you have a real attitude problem. One of the forums with the worst attitude towards not super pro members. |
no wheel speed for all four wheels? amateur.
edit: some people just can't handle uncommon questions. it's not about pro elite member status. I was a noob too once. |
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Originally Posted by y8s
(Post 1382953)
no wheel speed for all four wheels? amateur.
edit: I'm no noob, I like to ask people that know more then me. I tune and help people in there projects, I just ask all that is on my mind, some people just do not like. |
Actually I'm surprised you don't want wheel sensors with 400 hp, 2000 lb car. launch control is available on the megasquirt platform.
you could consider a standalone logging device rather than putting all that data into the ECU. |
I'm using a display with real time data.
I know a pro drag tuner that uses motec ecu with all (and more) the sensors I want, ok, no ac and idle valve there, but the rest are . |
so is the data you're collecting being used to augment engine functions or not? because if it's not, then it doesn't need to go to the ECU.
you sure a motec m400 can't do idle and ac? |
on drag car ac and idle are not needed.
I use the data for live view, calculations and logging for later analysis . I can use the data in many ways, the haltech elite got this custom functions you can define. |
Sounds like an application for the Extreme MS3.
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Use a Haltech Elite for all critical sensors then send them out over CAN to a race capture pro or other data logger. Any other nice to have sensors can run into that. The RCP can do 8 analog and 4 digital inputs plus anything the Elite is spitting out over CAN.
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A Life Racing F88RS could do what you need.
http://www.liferacing.com/wp-content...ng%20F88RS.pdf Depending on what you do with a dash, you can have more more inputs/outputs. I run a F88RL with a MoTeC c125 with the I/O upgrade for extra sensors and outputs. Price points are very reasonable for such a ecu. |
Originally Posted by Madjak
(Post 1383061)
Use a Haltech Elite for all critical sensors then send them out over CAN to a race capture pro or other data logger. Any other nice to have sensors can run into that. The RCP can do 8 analog and 4 digital inputs plus anything the Elite is spitting out over CAN.
RCP is very interesting, thanks ! |
On my LS swap car with lots of inputs/outputs, I'll be using an MS3pro and a JBPerf CAN-EGT+ expansion board. Similar capabilities to the MS3pro Ultimate.
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Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 1382913)
it makes a big difference. in fueling, enrichment, and your butt-dyno can feel it. wasted spark does NOT work the same. not as much dwell time and less efficient spark/burn.
Sequential fueling is a different matter, but unless you're running stupidly high RPM then it shouldn't be a power issue on the ignition. There are other considerations such as coil life etc of course. |
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