Notices
ECUs and Tuning Discuss Engine Management, Tuning, & Programming

Need good Ignition map for turbo setup

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jan 25, 2019 | 04:55 PM
  #1  
onefastmx5's Avatar
Thread Starter
Newb
 
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 21
Total Cats: 0
Default Need good Ignition map for turbo setup

Hello,

I've been back and forth the last couple years messing with this 01 miata that has given me headaches. Done plenty of searching, nothing that's help so far. Looking to get it done finally so I can start enjoying it. Here's a rundown of the setup:
GT2871 @ 10psi, FM manifold, FM d/p, FM full 3" exhaust, FM I/C and plumbing
Deaushworks 600inj, FM221 ECU
I'm at 5200ft elevation.

Tried using the base map that FM provided in the Dropbox and it wasn't good for my setup. I've been working the fuel and ignition tables and the car is slowly coming alive. At about 3K rpms, the car lugs a little when you punch it, slowly builds to 10psi by about 4K, then just struggles to push to redline. Hesitates a lot and almost feels like I'm towing a trailer. At 10psi, i would guess this turbo should give a nice hit, but something has to be off in my tables, because it is sluggish. AFRs in the midrange are about 12.5ish and timing is 22ish. WOT in boost, targets hits 11.5 afr and 17deg ignition advance. Not looking to squeeze every last HP out to blow it up, just want to car to have a nice push when WOT. Can someone send me a safe/street ignition map pic so I can try it out?

Thanks,
James
Old Jan 25, 2019 | 05:03 PM
  #2  
18psi's Avatar
VladiTuned
iTrader: (76)
 
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 35,821
Total Cats: 3,482
Default

You'll probably ignore this advice, but: You should tune your car, or have someone tune it. Not plug in random data cluelessly and cross your fingers that it works.
Old Jan 25, 2019 | 05:05 PM
  #3  
Full_Tilt_Boogie's Avatar
Elite Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 5,155
Total Cats: 409
From: Jacksonville, FL
Default

Check mechanical timing.

Originally Posted by 18psi
git gud
That too
Old Jan 25, 2019 | 10:49 PM
  #4  
ryansmoneypit's Avatar
Elite Member
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 3,398
Total Cats: 458
From: A cave in Va
Default

The DIY Autotune ignition map is just fine.
Old Jan 25, 2019 | 11:02 PM
  #5  
SchmoozerJoe's Avatar
Senior Member
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Aug 2013
Posts: 746
Total Cats: 85
From: Houston, TX
Default

Originally Posted by ryansmoneypit
The DIY Autotune ignition map is just fine.
Just make sure to edit the map since the FM221 tables are/were upside down, compared to what Tuner Studio... at least when I saw it last.

Not sure what changes were made before it went "live" here in the US.

Old Jan 26, 2019 | 07:11 AM
  #6  
borka's Avatar
Elite Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Mar 2014
Posts: 1,557
Total Cats: 197
From: Jacksonville, FL
Default

17 degrees at 10psi sounds reasonable, with 11.5afr.

I dont think ignition timing is your problem.

Have you changed the timing belt recently?

Last edited by borka; Jan 26, 2019 at 07:50 AM.
Old Jan 26, 2019 | 07:31 AM
  #7  
ryansmoneypit's Avatar
Elite Member
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 3,398
Total Cats: 458
From: A cave in Va
Default

We dont make tune assumptions without a tune file uploaded so we can take a look.
Old Jan 26, 2019 | 10:08 AM
  #8  
onefastmx5's Avatar
Thread Starter
Newb
 
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 21
Total Cats: 0
Default

Thanks for the replies! I forgot my laptop at work so I can post the table on Monday. As far as mechanical timing, I remember checking that when I installed the ECU about a year ago (the car sits alot). Doesn't have any issues starting, idling or cruising. Timing belt was done about 10K miles ago, double checked timing marks when it went back together and checked valve clearances. Maybe I should check compression? Car has 95K miles.

I'm not randomly plugging data into the tuner, I'm making educated guesses I had a 94 with a FMII @ 15psi 20yrs ago and that car ran awesome. It also had a Link, which was super easy to tune, and hardly any problems.

I'll also post my fuel table, which might help too? And yes, FM221 table are inverted compared to the MS3 tables I see posted.
Old Jan 26, 2019 | 11:42 AM
  #9  
Braineack's Avatar
Boost Czar
iTrader: (62)
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 80,541
Total Cats: 4,364
From: Chantilly, VA
Default

Originally Posted by borka
17 degrees at 10psi sounds reasonable, with 11.5afr.

I dont think ignition timing is your problem.
I'd say that's even a bit retarded.
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
JD8
DIY Turbo Discussion
6
Mar 6, 2017 03:18 PM
BBro
ECUs and Tuning
9
Nov 30, 2016 01:26 AM
blackandblown
Hydra
13
Oct 12, 2016 01:45 PM
Eunos_roadsterna6ce
General Miata Chat
0
Jan 5, 2008 09:05 PM




All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:48 AM.