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Dissociated 02-17-2022 11:48 AM

My reply wasn't towards Derek at all. He knows his stuff and is, yes a great tuner with a lot of engine knowledge.

I don't expect Derek to appreciate the same attitude you showed early on here with some of the Moderators.

Skrelnik 02-17-2022 12:06 PM


Originally Posted by Dissociated (Post 1617681)
My reply wasn't towards Derek at all. He knows his stuff and is, yes a great tuner with a lot of engine knowledge.

I don't expect Derek to appreciate the same attitude you showed early on here with some of the Moderators.

Great - What specifically are you speaking about since only one moderator made a comment? Be a little more specific here? When my first post on this forum is greeted by a moderator telling me I am "poop" and not actually contributing to the thread, how am I off base there?

I know this forum has been around forever, and most people love Vlad, but his response was not cool and I simply replied. I was unaware that the Miata has a limited vendor pool, and there are no piggybacks available for this model. Vlad could have said that but he chose to take it in another direction.

soot 02-17-2022 12:29 PM

He said piggybacks suck, and you replied by making a (humorous) dig at him. He responded in good humor as well, then you called him a troll :hustler:

edit: [my childish response redacted here] - thebeerbaron had a much more articulate and reasonable response

thebeerbaron 02-17-2022 12:58 PM

You know what, I think you did get some unwarranted attitude here initially. You came in here insistent on using a solution that doesn't really exist for the Miata - a tuneable piggyback. Instead of us figuring out what the hell you were talking about, you got dinged for wanting to use a solution (non-programmable signal-modifying box) that won't do what you want. But, having done little to no research, you stuck to your guns and kept digging yourself in deeper.

Personally though, I would have thrown you out of my house with the following:


I do appreciate you looking to help and I do intend to add a turbo, but I do not find it necessary to share that, or any other mods I am doing, as I am solely asking about available piggyback as I know an ECU swap will not work with my goals.


This screams to me that you don't want to listen to anything other than what you want to hear. Which is not going to go over well with ... well, anyone. And an attitude of "I don't need to share that" when people are asking questions to try to help you...

Combine this with the wildly unrealistic goal of adding 50+ hp without adding a turbo... (at least, that's how I read that)

Unrealistic expectations, refusal to listen, generally poor communication, holding back pertinent information.... not the sort of customer I'd want.

Dissociated 02-17-2022 01:32 PM


Originally Posted by Skrelnik (Post 1617684)
Great - What specifically are you speaking about since only one moderator made a comment? Be a little more specific here? When my first post on this forum is greeted by a moderator telling me I am "poop" and not actually contributing to the thread, how am I off base there?

I know this forum has been around forever, and most people love Vlad, but his response was not cool and I simply replied. I was unaware that the Miata has a limited vendor pool, and there are no piggybacks available for this model. Vlad could have said that but he chose to take it in another direction.

This mentality is more what I was speaking too. I just got back to this thread but it seems that @thebeerbaron already stated many of my points. Derek wont want to hear how you're upset at gains from just ECU swapping, or that you had all these plans and just didnt feel like sharing those with him.

I'll let this thread die. You seem like the guy who asks question just to spark an argument.
(I also don't care how many of my post you downvote, you're still kind of an ass)

Skrelnik 02-17-2022 02:55 PM


Originally Posted by soot (Post 1617687)
He said piggybacks suck, and you replied by making a (humorous) dig at him. He responded in good humor as well, then you called him a troll :hustler:

edit: [my childish response redacted here] - thebeerbaron had a much more articulate and reasonable response

Exactly - started off humorous but the dude had no value to add so need to reply with a donut. He should have been a little more descriptive and said that nobody ever made a piggyback for the Miata, it doesn't exist. My bad for assuming they existed, but all he had to do was say:

1) FM went away with thier voodoo box.
2) No other vendor makes a piggyback.
3) If you want to add a turbo the only option is a stand-alone ECU.
4) Call me to discuss as I have been tuning Miata's for years and would love to sell you a Megasquirt, and help you get up and running.


Originally Posted by thebeerbaron (Post 1617692)
You know what, I think you did get some unwarranted attitude here initially. You came in here insistent on using a solution that doesn't really exist for the Miata - a tuneable piggyback. Instead of us figuring out what the hell you were talking about, you got dinged for wanting to use a solution (non-programmable signal-modifying box) that won't do what you want. But, having done little to no research, you stuck to your guns and kept digging yourself in deeper.

Personally though, I would have thrown you out of my house with the following:

This screams to me that you don't want to listen to anything other than what you want to hear. Which is not going to go over well with ... well, anyone. And an attitude of "I don't need to share that" when people are asking questions to try to help you...

Combine this with the wildly unrealistic goal of adding 50+ hp without adding a turbo... (at least, that's how I read that)

Unrealistic expectations, refusal to listen, generally poor communication, holding back pertinent information.... not the sort of customer I'd want.

I don't want to listen? I asked if there was a piggyback and was told they were poop with no further reply, not really a good response so nothing to listen too. Then you say not listening, like WTF dude??? Your post is what got me looking into the stand-alone ECU and then registering my car in another state, and that is what I am currently doing. I posted some stuff in the MS tuning section as well. So clearly I am listening to specifically you, as I also bought the Kraken kit and exhaust system from Good-Win racing. Even found Derek to hopefully tune the MS...


Originally Posted by Dissociated (Post 1617695)
This mentality is more what I was speaking too. I just got back to this thread but it seems that @thebeerbaron already stated many of my points. Derek wont want to hear how you're upset at gains from just ECU swapping, or that you had all these plans and just didnt feel like sharing those with him.

I'll let this thread die. You seem like the guy who asks question just to spark an argument.
(I also don't care how many of my post you downvote, you're still kind of an ass)

You are delusional at best. Upset at gains from just an ECU swap, who would only swap an ECU? Why would you assume that I would be doing only an ECU swap? Did I ever say that, or are you just assuming that, or maybe your friend Penelope whispered it in your ear? Why would I be upset at anything, which I am not.

I do not ask questions for the sake of asking questions...Burger Tuning makes a great piggyback (BMW platform), and I thought there would be a vendor like him over on the Miata platform, but my bad for assuming that which I have already mentioned.

18psi 02-18-2022 02:56 PM

This is a perfect example of why I'm losing all hope for the current generation.

Skrelnik 02-18-2022 04:15 PM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1617763)
This is a perfect example of why I'm losing all hope for the current generation.

Same with me! Your original answer was just not cool, and I have a short fuse for people who reply with short jabs with nothing of value to add. I am on many car forums and these people are all over the place, and frankly I don't want them replying to my posts - either add value or move on to the next post.

Also, this old thread was revived by a forum member also throwing a short jab - If anyone followed up asking if I learned anything and changed directions, then this could have gone in another direction...or if they would have seen my other posts on the MS3, which is already wired up, maybe this would have spun in another direction.

soot 02-18-2022 04:15 PM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1617763)
This is a perfect example of why I'm losing all hope for the current generation.

Lol don't lump me in with this.

18psi 02-18-2022 07:31 PM


Originally Posted by Skrelnik (Post 1617771)
Same with me! Your original answer was just not cool, and I have a short fuse for people who reply with short jabs with nothing of value to add. I am on many car forums and these people are all over the place, and frankly I don't want them replying to my posts - either add value or move on to the next post.

Also, this old thread was revived by a forum member also throwing a short jab - If anyone followed up asking if I learned anything and changed directions, then this could have gone in another direction...or if they would have seen my other posts on the MS3, which is already wired up, maybe this would have spun in another direction.

Farva : Sir, it was not my fault!

Captain O'Hagan : Neither was the goddamn schoolbus! You know, there was a time we'd take a guy like you out back and beat you with a hose; now you got your Goddamn unions.

Skrelnik 02-18-2022 07:43 PM

Don't give up your day job

Actually, you should quit and stick with tuning, since you are oblivious to how a moderator should act on a forum. You clearly lack that skllset.

18psi 02-18-2022 09:30 PM


knnstr 03-01-2022 02:19 PM

Wow, the man came out guns a' blazin' at the first response. This is how not how you ask for help folks! :laugh:


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