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concealer404 08-03-2012 07:44 AM

You guys remember this freshness?
 
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Heh. Can't wait to fire one of these up again. :fawk::giggle:

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1343994278

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1343994278

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elesjuan 08-03-2012 08:51 AM

I hope you didn't pay more than like $5.00 for that..

concealer404 08-03-2012 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by elesjuan (Post 910930)
I hope you didn't pay more than like $5.00 for that..

I did pay more than $5... both of them are mine. No, it's not going on the MSM (because it wouldn't work anyways). Yes, it'll let the car that it's going on make far more power than my POS MSM with POS Hydra will ever make. :rofl:

I'm going for the "Tower of Power" setup for that old school flava for an old school car. You can't stop the F2T power.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1344000795

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1344000795

Was already face-raping my MSM on 7psi with huge exhaust leaks.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-n...408_174728.jpg

Now using this awesome tuning solution for 15psi and making power that would assplode BPs.
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Z...519_083530.jpg


Next... 20-22psi on the FCON.

Old cars are fun.


Sorry, had to get this off my chest. I ------- HATE the Hydra in my MSM and found myself wishing for a piggyback that would handle well over 300whp like the FCON does on my MX6. (Wishful thinking.)

Braineack 08-03-2012 09:37 AM

If I had my 626 turbo still, I'd MegaSquirt it.


626: it's 620 better.

concealer404 08-03-2012 09:41 AM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 910959)
If I had my 626 turbo still, I'd MegaSquirt it.


626: it's 620 better.

But M worse. :D

Megasquirt will happen if i find that ignition timing becomes a necessity in terms of safety when my other head with the Crower 272 goes on.

But if i can get away without it... screw it. It runs like a beast anyways, i'll make the power with more boost instead of ignition. I'm about to test a theory and see if i can't control some 680cc injectors with this stuff.

thirdgen 08-03-2012 09:41 AM

Easy on the knight rider interior David Hasslehoff!!!

concealer404 08-03-2012 09:43 AM


Originally Posted by thirdgen (Post 910962)
Easy on the knight rider interior David Hasslehoff!!!

I'll roll around, rollin' hard as a mufucka, blasting the theme song. Bitches love that ----. It's the only way i can pick up chicks. I only get dudes in the Miata. (Though, the stereo is stuck on Aqua's Greatest Hits CD)

thirdgen 08-03-2012 09:45 AM

Aqua?? Like Barbie girl? In a Barbie world?

elesjuan 08-03-2012 09:48 AM

:rofl:

concealer404 08-03-2012 10:10 AM


Originally Posted by thirdgen (Post 910966)
Aqua?? Like Barbie girl? In a Barbie world?

Yeah, that CD was a pretty common factory option on Miatas. I'm surprised you've never heard of that.


Originally Posted by elesjuan (Post 910971)
:rofl:

No laughing, this is serious business.


I'm going to build an F2T Miata.

concealer404 10-22-2012 08:39 AM

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Bump. :rofl:

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1350909591

Braineack 10-22-2012 08:50 AM

good luck.

concealer404 10-22-2012 08:55 AM

Lol i'm probably only keeping two for myself. (MX6 and future F2T Miata.)

I'm rebuilding the harnesses for use with the MX6/Probes, since the harnesses i have are for FC RX7s and MKiii Supras. Same plugs though, so it's easy mode.

These things go for well over their weight in gold once set up and ready to go to that community. :D

Braineack 10-22-2012 09:09 AM

I said good luck, sir.

concealer404 10-22-2012 09:10 AM

Good day, SIR. :rofl:

18psi 10-22-2012 09:15 AM

so you're putting that in a mk3 poopra?

Braineack 10-22-2012 09:15 AM

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good day.

TurboTim 10-22-2012 09:20 AM

Looks pretty. Christmas is a-comin'

concealer404 10-22-2012 09:23 AM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 941784)
so you're putting that in a mk3 poopra?

Nah, that picture was just an example of all the silly fun and lighting-up-y0 add on boxes i'll be running in this thing.

One set is going in Swank Force One, the other set will stay in reserve for the F2T Miata that's happening down the road. (Picking up donor vehicles in the next week or so.) The world needs a boosted 4-banger Miata making well over 400wtq before 4000rpm.

18psi 10-22-2012 09:33 AM

That's what they all say lol

concealer404 10-22-2012 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 941794)
That's what they all say lol

All those other people that have put an F2T in a Miata? :rofl:

The difference is that i already have a few of these motors and have made the power. It's just not in a Miata. Yet. :party:

I'm no stranger to utterly stupid projects. I'm building an Escort right now.

'Sup?

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1350913195

18psi 10-22-2012 09:55 AM

"all those other people" that said they'd have 400+ in a miata, much less 400+ at ridic low rpm.

And we all know you have a billion projects that make a billion horsie powerz. Not a single f is given. We want to see you do it in a miata
:party:

concealer404 10-22-2012 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 941798)
"all those other people" that said they'd have 400+ in a miata, much less 400+ at ridic low rpm.

And we all know you have a billion projects that make a billion horsie powerz. Not a single f is given. We want to see you do it in a miata
:party:

I'd like to see it in a Miata, too. Patience. At the moment, i have a billion projects making not much power. :party:

Also: Learn2F2.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1350914665

Braineack 10-22-2012 10:21 AM

its like a 1980s v8 without the low-end and a turbo curve that would do nothing but cause wheels to spin and a top-end that would do nothing to recover from the loss of traction...

concealer404 10-22-2012 10:25 AM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 941809)
its like a 1980s v8 without the low-end and a turbo curve that would do nothing but cause wheels to spin and a top-end that would do nothing to recover from the loss of traction...

Ehh... that was a stock 200k mile unopened motor with an undersized exhaust. It was tired. I'm fairly certain i can keep a large amount of that torque to redline with some minor tweaks, instead of literally losing half of it.



But what you're saying is that the motor on that dyno, would be REALLY AWESOME with a 6spd and a 4.3, right?

18psi 10-22-2012 10:31 AM

lol PHAIL.

You actually did the opposite of impressing us with the plot.

Hopefully your next one lives up to all your hype.

concealer404 10-22-2012 10:33 AM

I said it made torque. It made torque. Be impressed.

I'm not expecting anyone to be impressed with a motor built on 60s technology at best.

All i know is that it makes my BP look like suck.

TurboTim 10-22-2012 11:04 AM

I'm impressed with the KL in the escort :dunno:

18psi 10-22-2012 11:13 AM

I think the dyno plot is limp dick, and since you basically threw the 400tq number into our faces like 1000 times by now I guess I was expecting something cool rather than a vertical shot up to 400 then a droop off where it actually matters. And the worst thing is that its in a FWD, where its GUARRANTEED to be even more useless since like brainy said: it will spin, then when it hooks up have nowhere near the torque. fail/fail.

But

I am impressed with all your swaps/cars/etc. Don't get me wrong. Pretty badass stable of cars actually.

concealer404 10-22-2012 11:14 AM


Originally Posted by TurboTim (Post 941833)
I'm impressed with the KL in the escort :dunno:

Meh, i'm more impressed with the KL in the Miata. Much harder and more awesome swap than what i did. :fael:

Braineack 10-22-2012 11:15 AM

Im just a hater and hate everything, even if i like it.

concealer404 10-22-2012 11:18 AM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 941838)
I think the dyno plot is limp dick, and since you basically threw the 400tq number into our faces like 1000 times by now I guess I was expecting something cool rather than a vertical shot up to 400 then a droop off where it actually matters. And the worst thing is that its in a FWD, where its GUARRANTEED to be even more useless since like brainy said: it will spin, then when it hooks up have nowhere near the torque. fail/fail.

But

I am impressed with all your swaps/cars/etc. Don't get me wrong. Pretty badass stable of cars actually.


Ew. Don't be. There's not a whole lot i'd like to do more than just get rid of all of them save for the Cherokee and start over. Unfortunately, that makes pretty much zero financial sense and i'm doomed to continue just randomly flailing my arms and tools around in an effort to be satisfied. (Which, you know... makes tons of sense.)


As for the dyno... i'll be doing some testing of my own come spring. There's a few stupid blatantly obvious things to be done to that motor that either 1) nobody ever does or 2) they do it, then never dyno, that would massively help out it's premature ejaculation problem.

concealer404 10-22-2012 11:19 AM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 941840)
Im just a hater and hate everything, even if i like it.

Ima flip a coin.


Dammit, you really do hate me. :eek3dance

18psi 10-22-2012 11:32 AM

I'm guessing sohc+torque focused cam = that.

At least that's exactly the case on the sohc big turbo scoobs I've seen: insane torque spike in the midrange, then flacid penis up top.

concealer404 10-22-2012 11:34 AM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 941852)
I'm guessing sohc+torque focused cam = that.

At least that's exactly the case on the sohc big turbo scoobs I've seen: insane torque spike in the midrange, then flacid penis up top.

I'll also take "Valve Float" for $400, Alex.

Also: 12" intake runners.

And: Smallish ports.


The cam itself is surprisingly aggressive for a stock cam, but i won't be using it. The head itself can flow somewhat similar numbers to the FE3.

viperormiata 10-22-2012 12:40 PM

I wanna see a F2t miata.

That dyno needs to be flipped, lol

concealer404 10-22-2012 12:55 PM

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Found the results of getting the MX6 on the scales!

She's a front-heavy bitch, but... entirely decent otherwise. Half tank of fuel, driver in the car. There's an easy 100lbs of low-hanging fruit to take out, and i'm giving thought to losing some weight myself.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1350924953

Scrappy Jack 10-22-2012 05:13 PM

Why do you hate yourself so much?

concealer404 10-22-2012 06:42 PM


Originally Posted by Scrappy Jack (Post 942018)
Why do you hate yourself so much?

My Miata runs Hydra, too.

Joe Perez 10-22-2012 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by concealer404 (Post 910955)

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...1&d=1350945547

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...1&d=1350945771

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...1&d=1350945845

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Every single one of these things is a babe magnet.

Unfortunately, the polarity is reversed.

Pitlab77 10-22-2012 07:01 PM

Is that a HKS VPC in that tower of power also? LOL I remember at that junk shoved in glove boxes haha.

concealer404 10-23-2012 10:50 AM


Originally Posted by Pitlab77 (Post 942062)
Is that a HKS VPC in that tower of power also? LOL I remember at that junk shoved in glove boxes haha.

Yeah, there's a VPC in there. Unless i miss my guess... There's:

1) GCC
2) VPC
3) EGC
4) EVC
5) SBC

18psi 10-23-2012 10:59 AM

Stack a couple power cards on top of that and you have yourself a solid automobile.
Only with e-cool though

concealer404 10-23-2012 11:03 AM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 942287)
Stack a couple power cards on top of that and you have yourself a solid automobile.
Only with e-cool though

The main FCON "headunit" pretty much does what a powercard does, but better. Has an adjustment knob from 0-11. 0 is stock fueling (or at least to mimic it, most of the chips were not made for stock injectors), 11 is ALL THE FUELS.

Then you trim up or down based on RPM via the GCC.

People make real power on these setups, it's just from an era where full standalones weren't real common.

18psi 10-23-2012 11:12 AM

More than you can afford pal, I'm on setting 11

concealer404 10-23-2012 11:21 AM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 942294)
more than you can afford pal, i'm on setting 11

this one goes to 11!!

Faeflora 10-23-2012 12:58 PM

Y u no like your hydra?

Ps

You are god

concealer404 10-23-2012 01:01 PM


Originally Posted by Faeflora (Post 942348)
Y u no like your hydra?

Ps

You are god

Because i don't know how to work it, the current tune is utter garbage that i'm completely disgusted at having PAID for it, i have no ambition or time to learn how to work it, and nobody locally knows how to work it.


I most certainly am not god. Unless i'm The God of Crapboxes.

Faeflora 10-23-2012 01:41 PM


Originally Posted by concealer404 (Post 942350)
Because i don't know how to work it, the current tune is utter garbage that i'm completely disgusted at having PAID for it, i have no ambition or time to learn how to work it, and nobody locally knows how to work it.


I most certainly am not god. Unless i'm The God of Crapboxes.

What city state are you in?

I can work the hydra no problemo. Whats wrong with the tune? Drivability? Afrs? Power?

concealer404 10-23-2012 01:54 PM


Originally Posted by Faeflora (Post 942376)
What city state are you in?

Indianapolis, IN.


I can work the hydra no problemo. Whats wrong with the tune? Drivability?
Yes.


Afrs?
Probably.


Power?
Yes.



Car made 245whp on FM's dyno @ 13-14psi at elevation. @ 13psi at sea level, i'm pretty sure my stock 4.0 Cherokee would hang with it. It's ridiculously slow. I'm fairly certain it's not even making 200whp.

Faeflora 10-23-2012 01:58 PM


Originally Posted by concealer404 (Post 942384)
Indianapolis, IN.



Yes.



Probably.



Yes.



Car made 245whp on FM's dyno @ 13-14psi at elevation. @ 13psi at sea level, i'm pretty sure my stock 4.0 Cherokee would hang with it. It's ridiculously slow. I'm fairly certain it's not even making 200whp.


Got a wideband? Can you log? Also, upload your tune :)

concealer404 10-23-2012 02:03 PM


Originally Posted by Faeflora (Post 942391)
Got a wideband? Can you log? Also, upload your tune :)

I'll have to pick up my wideband. Bought one from FM a year ago and had it overnighted to the only local shop that has experience with Hydra, only to have them blow off multiple tuning appointments since. Wideband is still there.

Once i have that, i'm sure i can log, just have to figure out how.

Ditto for uploading tune.

Shall i open another thread for this so we don't step on the toes of Swank Force One? (Shown here accelerating twice as fast as the Miata does, despite being on low boost and with terrible band-aids for tuning.)


concealer404 10-29-2012 04:01 PM

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Found some things. Gonna go back and pull the bellhousing at least for sure. Might pull the entire motor pending investigation.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1351540865

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1351540865

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1351540865

Scrappy Jack 10-29-2012 04:28 PM

You should go download "The Gambler" on iTunes or some other service.

Pay special attention to the part where he sings,

"You got to know when to hold 'em,
know when to fold 'em,
Know when to walk away and know when to run."

concealer404 10-29-2012 04:31 PM


Originally Posted by Scrappy Jack (Post 944506)
You should go download "The Gambler" on iTunes or some other service.

Pay special attention to the part where he sings,

"You got to know when to hold 'em,
know when to fold 'em,
Know when to walk away and know when to run."

I'm stubborn, stupid, yet just smart enough to be dangerous.

It's a bad combination.

concealer404 02-04-2013 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by concealer404 (Post 944507)
I'm stubborn, stupid, yet just smart enough to be dangerous.

It's a bad combination.



Case in point.

STEP 1 COMPLETE.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1360010114

Full_Tilt_Boogie 02-04-2013 03:56 PM

So it blew up?

WHAT ARE THE ODDS?!?!

Mazduh 02-04-2013 03:57 PM

Concealer I didn't realize you were relatively close. When I get my squirt installed I'll have to take a trip down to see all your shitboxes. There's a guy in west Lafayette selling what looks like a relatively clean 323 turbo I'd love to pick up if I had some extra cash.

concealer404 02-04-2013 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Full_Tilt_Boogie (Post 975202)
So it blew up?

WHAT ARE THE ODDS?!?!

No.... That's just a parts car i bought for $350 for the drivetrain. Ran like a beast. That motor is going in a Miata.

The red car survived the GRM $2013 Challenge with a wounded clutch, and has been my daily driver since then even in the worst of weather and cold. I still haven't replaced the clutch because it's cold and i'm lazy.

I still maintain that you can't kill one of these motors.

Here's the red car not blowing up and turning 200k miles on the stock original motor and trans.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1360011887

Here's the red car not giving a single fuck.
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1360011887



Originally Posted by Mazduh (Post 975203)
Concealer I didn't realize you were relatively close. When I get my squirt installed I'll have to take a trip down to see all your shitboxes. There's a guy in west Lafayette selling what looks like a relatively clean 323 turbo I'd love to pick up if I had some extra cash.


For sure!!! Come on down! I wanna compare your MS MSM with my Hydra MSM so i can think about shooting myself.

concealer404 03-25-2013 01:57 PM

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Gotta collect 'em all!!!!!

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1364234223



This car is destined for the GRM $2013 Challenge alongside the red car. We're gonna see how much a stock motor likes 30psi from a Buick Grand National turbo using shitty piggybacks for tuning. (After i re-seal the motor, of course.)


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