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1990miata1.6 12-24-2008 06:03 PM

15psi what goes first?
 
looking to find out what will go first on my motor its a 99 miata with FM turbo kit on it has full turbo back exhaust and link ecu. i want to have it tune for 15psi but i want to know what it going to go first on the motor.

kotomile 12-24-2008 06:14 PM

The transmission?

1990miata1.6 12-24-2008 06:17 PM

lol i know the trany gose but im looking motor wise on what will go i have new gear sets for my trany. but looking to see what will go first in the motor at 15 psi.

bryantaylor 12-24-2008 06:26 PM

looks like spelling is the first to go.

1990miata1.6 12-24-2008 06:37 PM

ya ya ya i know

cjernigan 12-24-2008 06:45 PM

Guy just threw a rod on #4 at 15 psi. Stock motor with Gt2560R and a good solid tune.

1990miata1.6 12-24-2008 06:59 PM

thats suck for the guy. looks like ill be doing rods and pistons then. dose any one know what the stock pistons are good for. not looking to ask the gov for a bailout on my miata build so if i could get away with 15psi on stock pistons that would be cool.

cjernigan 12-24-2008 07:04 PM

Do a search. There are two threads on this topic from just yesterday.

Toddcod 12-24-2008 07:08 PM

I've heard the ring lands go, after 250hp you are on borrowed time.
Paul is running 14 or 15 psi on a stock 99. It is still holding together. If your motor is running good. I would run it 14psi with a good tune and not worry about it. When it blows, Then build the next motor.
Buy rods and pistons over time. Then push 17-18psi.

Or are you wanting to track it?

patsmx5 12-24-2008 07:08 PM

In short, read all the threads in this sub forum, "Engine Performance". That, will answer your questions.

EDIT: And Use Proper GRAMMAR!

1990miata1.6 12-24-2008 07:20 PM

i have a track that i was going to with my bmw but sold it and i want to use this car up there seeing how its only a 30 min drive the miata has 120,000 miles on it and i plan on rebuilding the motor after the news years i want to put 15 psi for the track and 10-12psi for the street seeing how you can save 2 settings on the link ecu the car is going to be taken to a shop to be dyno tuned just dont want to kill my back pocket. i have been looking in the forums for info found some but just looking to see if i can find some more people that could give me so good info.

patsmx5 12-24-2008 08:04 PM


Originally Posted by 1990miata1.6 (Post 345281)
i have a track that i was going to with my bmw but sold it and i want to use this car up there seeing how its only a 30 min drive the miata has 120,000 miles on it and i plan on rebuilding the motor after the news years i want to put 15 psi for the track and 10-12psi for the street seeing how you can save 2 settings on the link ecu the car is going to be taken to a shop to be dyno tuned just dont want to kill my back pocket. i have been looking in the forums for info found some but just looking to see if i can find some more people that could give me so good info.

Capitalize the first letter of each new sentence. Is English your fist language?

Braineack 12-24-2008 08:09 PM


Originally Posted by patsmx5 (Post 345292)
Capitalize the first letter of each new sentence. Is English your fist language?


that's the Christmas spirit!

johndoe 12-24-2008 09:50 PM

Paul's now running 17-18psi on that motor. I'm running 15psi on a gt2560r on a lower compression 94 engine. All good so far.

patsmx5 12-24-2008 10:00 PM


Originally Posted by johndoe (Post 345327)
Paul's now running 17-18psi on that motor. I'm running 15psi on a gt2560r on a lower compression 94 engine. All good so far.

Yeap. I have a GT3271 and I'm wondering how much I can safely run on my 99' with a lot of headwork. I'm thinking 12 is gonna be it. :mad:

1990miata1.6 12-24-2008 10:07 PM

Thanks for the info i think what i am going to do is do a compression test and see were i am at and if it looks good im going to do a timing belt water pump head gasket ARP head studs port polish on the head and have it tuned on 14psi.

sixshooter 12-24-2008 10:21 PM


Originally Posted by 1990miata1.6 (Post 345332)
...head gasket ARP head studs port polish on the head...

^ Why?

If the compression is good, then why screw with it?

Oh, and the word is "goes."

1990miata1.6 12-24-2008 11:09 PM

3 reasons time on my hands snow on the ground and i notice a little white smoke when i beat on it and the coolant goes low. so thats why im going to do it and im not sure when the timing belt was done. i hope that i do not find my rings are bad.

1990miata1.6 12-24-2008 11:12 PM

All most for got my friend own's a machine shop

kotomile 12-24-2008 11:52 PM

own's = own is

I seriously hope English isn't your first language.

Savington 12-25-2008 12:50 AM


Originally Posted by 1990miata1.6 (Post 345268)
ya ya ya i know


Then fucking correct it. This is not HondaTech, we speak like goddamn adults. We've also discussed, in depth, the answer to every single question you've asked so far in this thread, and we aren't interested in spoon-feeding your sorry illiterate ass. Learn to spell, learn to capitalize words, and learn to use the search button, or find another forum to frequent.

samnavy 12-25-2008 01:52 AM

awe come on Sav I bet hes juss a kid whoze parentz luvd him enough to make sure he gots on da bus every day but never aksed aboot homework or called his teecher and dad came home and got drunk every day and mom hit the pipe once or twice cuz she thot it was better that facing reality oh and by the way did i menchun i haz a miata too an their iz a cool turbo on it cuz it makes a whoooosh noise is that the wastegate my friend sed it was but another homey sed it was the muffler my dad sed I should just by a malibu one of the old ones not a new one man I really wish i had graduated and then I would have used correct spelling in my title it's "goze" you moreons and stop making fun of me

NA6C-Guy 12-25-2008 02:07 AM

:giggle: Goddamn, you guys got the Christmas spirit around here! Cut the guy a break. It would be nice to see sentences formed, stuff in capitol letters and maybe some correctly spelled words.

posidon42 12-25-2008 02:26 AM

Well, we could just start saying that nothing will be a problem and he can crank it up to 20psi with just a link, no intercooler, and stock injectors and let the problem solve itself.

Hrm... that isn't very nice though :)

Seriously, use the search button. It would be great if we could have some sort of applet to help fix this. It checks your post count first. Under 50 and it is enabled. Before it lets you press the "new post" button, it pops up a box asking if you have tried the search button. Then when you click yes, it pops up two or three more times. You know, Microsoft level of user interaction :D Man, that would be awesome.

NA6C-Guy 12-25-2008 02:29 AM

And maybe have it so if I sees related material in other threads, it wont let them post a new thread until they read the other threads. I can see asking a common question when there are special things involved, but alot of questions are the same ones seen on all car forums daily. "How much HP can I expect", or "Will this head work on this block?", ect. SEARCH!

18psi 12-25-2008 03:08 AM

the awesome spelling/grammar in here is making my brain hurt:mad:

hustler 12-26-2008 01:14 PM

is 15psi from a d1zc0 p0t@+0 the same as 16gs rom a dee-ess-em turbizle im @zking beecuz i herd the d1zc0 p0t@+0 is better fer d0r1f+ing becuz it makes like 20 more g's

Braineack 12-26-2008 01:39 PM

20g's FTW.

punchdrunk 12-26-2008 02:30 PM


Originally Posted by Savington (Post 345357)
Then fucking correct it. This is not HondaTech, we speak like goddamn adults. We've also discussed, in depth, the answer to every single question you've asked so far in this thread, and we aren't interested in spoon-feeding your sorry illiterate ass. Learn to spell, learn to capitalize words, and learn to use the search button, or find another forum to frequent.

Harsh and unnecessary

:bang:

cueball1 12-26-2008 02:30 PM

So much for the kinder gentler Miataturbo.net! Damn. Running newbs again. He's probably doing all this on his phone. That's the best "kind" explanation i can come up with as an excuse for him.

1990 if you are still here. Try and clean up the writing some. Do some searches. Feel free to ask questions after you've done a little research. As you have likely learned by now there isn't a lot of patience for newbs that don't bother to read some of the FAQ's and stickies. You'll learn a lot and be treated much better if you put in a little effort. Great site for help, just not a lot of patience if you don't put in some work at your end.

And now back to your regularly scheduled newb bashing...

hustler 12-26-2008 06:40 PM

asdlkjhlaksdg

18psi 12-26-2008 06:50 PM

:bowrofl:

hustler 12-26-2008 07:10 PM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 345689)
:bowrofl:

in for ban.


I just can't take the whiny crap, and peopel standing up for unreadable shit. these fagmos are sick, they need healing.

Savington 12-26-2008 07:37 PM


Originally Posted by punchdrunk (Post 345653)
Harsh and unnecessary

:bang:

That was downright polite. Chew glass.

1990miata1.6 12-26-2008 09:51 PM

Lol well now that you all got your chance to rip on me. I did the compression test today and its not looking good.
cylinders 1 2 3 4
dry 115-180-180-180
wet 200-200-200-200

So i have started to take the motor out.

hustler 12-26-2008 09:59 PM


Originally Posted by 1990miata1.6 (Post 345723)
Lol well now that you all got your chance to rip on me. I did the compression test today and its not looking good.
cylinders 1 2 3 4
dry 115-180-180-180
wet 200-200-200-200

So i have started to take the motor out.

or you could sell the car, kill yourself, or kill yourself. Either way, the collective forum wins.

urgaynknowit 12-26-2008 10:25 PM


Originally Posted by hustler (Post 345728)
or you could sell the car, kill yourself, or kill yourself. Either way, the collective forum wins.

i vote on sell car, fuck that junk motor lol

zoomin 12-27-2008 04:02 AM

those compression numbers look a little off, you sure you had a clue what you were doing?

Savington 12-27-2008 04:17 AM


Originally Posted by zoomin (Post 345796)
those compression numbers look a little off, you sure you had a clue what you were doing?

..they look normal for having serious leakdown in the first cylinder.

zoomin 12-27-2008 05:11 AM

sorry, just seemed a bit high to me.

BenR 12-27-2008 01:42 PM

They are very high for a stock 1.6

Savington 12-27-2008 01:52 PM

..? Spec is like 190+ IIRC.

Doppelgänger 12-28-2008 06:03 PM

i'm running ~13psi on a 10:1 comp. stock engine.......

Ben 12-28-2008 06:26 PM


Originally Posted by 1990miata1.6 (Post 345250)
looking to find out what will go first on my motor its a 99 miata with FM turbo kit on it has full turbo back exhaust and link ecu. i want to have it tune for 15psi but i want to know what it going to go first on the motor.

LOL @ Piggy Link. You need to address engine management or you'll be building another motor.



Originally Posted by Doppelgänger (Post 346253)
i'm running ~13psi on a 10:1 comp. stock engine.......

Sure. With a Hydra. Incidentally, do you need a cookie or something?

1990miata1.6 12-28-2008 09:27 PM

Ya I want to run a new ecu but not sure what to run. Seeing how as the car has the 8 fuel injectors.

hustler 12-28-2008 09:37 PM


Originally Posted by 1990miata1.6 (Post 346288)
Ya I want to run a new ecu but not sure what to run. Seeing how as the car has the 8 fuel injectors.

lol maybe if you read more stuff here you'd know what to buy.

lordrigamus 12-29-2008 12:09 AM


Originally Posted by hustler (Post 345684)
i'm a biker living in london UK, and i've discovered 3 major ways of pozzing up unsuspecting negs. the first i discovered by accident when i was fucking a guy and the condom broke. i said i was sorry, and i was. but later on it made me smile. then i was doing another guy, and the condom broke when i put it on. i fucked him anyway, feeling guilty and horny as hell at the same time. then i started pricking the rubbers in their packets, so that when i started fucking, they'd split. but this doesn't always work, so now, to be extra sure, i go to clubs with a pair of nail scissors, pick up a handfull of condoms, go to the loo (john), sit down and carefully cut open the packets, remove the condoms and snip a bit off the tip. the i roll it back up and slide it back into the packet. then i look for guys who are into safer sex only. i've done 100's of guys using this method over the years.

the second method is more work, but more fun. i chat up negs on-line who want to bareback with other negs, i say, 'i tested neg 1 month ago. i think because i only top, i've always tested neg'. if they want, i tell them i'll pull out before shooting. i never do. there's loads of guys into being fucked by a guy in bike leathers and crash helmet, so i do them like that the first time, then i get more intimate, smiling, and kissing passionately. i make sure i fuck them at least 5 times, then i stay in touch with them to see how they get on. i've done about 20 guys using this method over the years, and i've only failed once. when they tell me they've tested poz i say, 'o god! how did that happen? do you think i should get tested too?' thank god for chat rooms. they can't see how much i'm smiling.

the third method is the most dangerous and the hottest. i had a biker mate, and for a while we'd go round together using the above 2 methods. one nite we couldn't find anyone so we rode up to hamstead heath, London's cruising area. we wandered about till we saw a cute young asian guy. he was a bit drunk, i think it was his first time on the heath. we smiled, said hello, and led him to a quite part of the heath. i started kissing him while my mate pulled down his pants. then my mate pinned him to the ground, and using just spit for lube, raped his ass. i held him down and pushed his face into the mud to stop him screaming. when my mate finished it was my turn. after we'd finished we both pissed on him and told him we both had hiv. we left him there, sobbing, soaked in piss, with our poz loads in his ----. i still get a hard on thinking about it.

I think I'm falling in love with Hustler!:love:

Savington 12-29-2008 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by 1990miata1.6 (Post 346288)
Ya I want to run a new ecu but not sure what to run. Seeing how as the car has the 8 fuel injectors.

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hustler 12-29-2008 09:52 AM


Originally Posted by Savington (Post 346370)

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BenR 12-29-2008 01:04 PM


Originally Posted by Savington (Post 345913)
..? Spec is like 190+ IIRC.



I remember the factory spec calling for anything between 135 and 192 being within spec for a 1.6 as long as the spread isn't more than 20 points. Must look weird to me because at this altitude I've never seen a 1.6 pull more than about 185 for a factory stock motor.

punchdrunk 12-29-2008 02:52 PM


Originally Posted by Savington (Post 345702)
That was downright polite. Chew glass.

If you're the same savington that is a mod on miata.net then your rudeness on this site is inconsistent. It really does puzzle me why some of you guys have to be so rude when saying nothing will have a similar effect.

If you have nothing nice to say, why not say nothing.

:eek5:

Newbsauce 12-29-2008 03:23 PM


Originally Posted by punchdrunk (Post 346534)
If you're the same savington that is a mod on miata.net then your rudeness on this site is inconsistent. It really does puzzle me why some of you guys have to be so rude when saying nothing will have a similar effect.

If you have nothing nice to say, why not say nothing.

:eek5:

There are two schools of thinking for newbie behavioral modification. One school tends to ignore their remarks/questions, and hope the problem will solve itself or go away. The other school tends to beat the newbie into submission until they learn that there "IS" in fact a search function, and the car "HAS" been around for around 20 years so they are not special in their question.

That being said, this board is pretty much entirely of the second school of thought and will most likely not change. You personally can maintain your ideals and stay quiet, but attempting to change our collective attitude will result in epic fail.

Savington 12-29-2008 07:09 PM


Originally Posted by punchdrunk (Post 346534)
If you're the same savington that is a mod on miata.net then your rudeness on this site is inconsistent. It really does puzzle me why some of you guys have to be so rude when saying nothing will have a similar effect.

If you have nothing nice to say, why not say nothing.

:eek5:


It puzzles you because you have seventeen posts and you clearly spend nearly no time here. This is not a polite forum. There are a lot of very intelligent people who read on these boards and post regularly. We've discussed a myriad of topics, and every single discussion is accessible through the search function. In addition, the best discussions and ideas are summed up and put into the useful posts section. I turboed my car using information entirely from the search function on this site and the Useful Posts section, so I know for a fact that it's possible and damn easy to do. When new members come onto this site with 8 posts and completely ignore the search function and the hours of effort senior members have put into the FAQs and sticky topics, it's not only insulting, it's unbearably annoying. It clutters the forum with absolutely useless topics on the exact same thing: what turbo is good for the car, how do I turbo it, what ECU options are available, when all of those questions have been discussed so in-depth there are literally members building the ECUs themselves.

Saying nothing is like letting your dog piss on your couch; if you never scold it, it never knows what it did is wrong. We are incredibly harsh to new members who disrespect the forum and its older members by ignoring the information that is easily available to them because they either get the fuck off the forum, in which case there is nothing lost, or they wise up and become contributing members. There are at least a dozen people here who will tell you about how they were flamed badly as a new member, and they all have a Subscriber logo and a thousand posts or more, and they contribute to the site on a daily basis.

I am the exact same person who mods Miata.net. That site caters to the folks who want a nice, friendly atmosphere in which to discuss the car. This site caters to a totally different audience; we are the hardcore DIYers, the people who pioneer things like the Toyota COP upgrade and Megasquirt as one of the prominent ECU options for the car. We have absolutely no tolerance for lazy newbies who expect us to hand-feed every bit of information to them. If you want to turbo your car, and join this community, you'll work for it, and you'll learn a shitload about your car and contribute to the site at the same time.

Tough love is practiced in spades at MiataTurbo. If you don't like it, this isn't the site for you.

Savington 12-29-2008 07:12 PM


Originally Posted by BenR (Post 346491)
I remember the factory spec calling for anything between 135 and 192 being within spec for a 1.6 as long as the spread isn't more than 20 points. Must look weird to me because at this altitude I've never seen a 1.6 pull more than about 185 for a factory stock motor.

Same gauge? My motor punched out 4 cylinders at 145-160 on one gauge, and 4 cylinders between 185-200 on another. With a properly-calibrated gauge, you want to see at least 180 across all 4 cylinders; if you don't know about the gauge, then the spread is what's more important.

Ben 12-29-2008 07:13 PM

LOL, this site is harsh! ;)

cueball1 12-29-2008 07:52 PM


Originally Posted by Savington (Post 346653)

Saying nothing is like letting your dog piss on your couch; if you never scold it, it never knows what it did is wrong. We are incredibly harsh to new members who disrespect the forum and its older members by ignoring the information that is easily available to them because they either get the fuck off the forum, in which case there is nothing lost, or they wise up and become contributing members. There are at least a dozen people here who will tell you about how they were flamed badly as a new member, and they all have a Subscriber logo and a thousand posts or more, and they contribute to the site on a daily basis.

I am the exact same person who mods Miata.net. That site caters to the folks who want a nice, friendly atmosphere in which to discuss the car. This site caters to a totally different audience; we are the hardcore DIYers, the people who pioneer things like the Toyota COP upgrade and Megasquirt as one of the prominent ECU options for the car. We have absolutely no tolerance for lazy newbies who expect us to hand-feed every bit of information to them. If you want to turbo your car, and join this community, you'll work for it, and you'll learn a shitload about your car and contribute to the site at the same time.

Tough love is practiced in spades at MiataTurbo. If you don't like it, this isn't the site for you.


Sav,

This should be a mandatory newb read! Well said.

There could be a standard informative response to newbs starting threads that have already been covered to death. One that points out their stupidity but also gives links to all the stickies that cover the common newb questions.

Of course there is something to say for baptism by fire. Weed out the weak right off the bat. I'm afraid if too many get run at the start that some good people and ideas will be missed in the future. That's why there was the shakeup and crackdown a few months ago.

hustler 12-29-2008 09:55 PM

yeah, this site fucked up, because life is fucked up. You can provide your input in this thread:
https://www.miataturbo.net/forum/t29750/

punchdrunk 12-30-2008 03:35 AM


Originally Posted by cueball1 (Post 346682)

Of course there is something to say for baptism by fire. Weed out the weak right off the bat. I'm afraid if too many get run at the start that some good people and ideas will be missed in the future. That's why there was the shakeup and crackdown a few months ago.

This is my point.

Sav's post above was very good, but I think there is an argument that says to grow a community a collective needs to show some respect to individual posters regardless. Savington is very polite and helpful on miata.net yet swears at posters on this site - I know which Savington I prefer.

Individuals don't learn by being abused, but I accept this is a very good forum and has grown in spite of it.

Carry on

:)

akaryrye 12-30-2008 04:07 AM


Originally Posted by punchdrunk (Post 346858)
Individuals don't learn by being abused, but I accept this is a very good forum and has grown in spite of it.

the moral of the story is that your original question was not very well thought out, does not really help anybody, and is so ambiguous that it can hardly even be answered. I believe this forum has grown so much because of this attitude, I get tired of organizations being so damn PC, its like a breath of fresh air to come on here. I think a good start would be to look at the work others have done and that works for them and figure out why they have done it that way. Look at the signatures that people have and do some searching to figure out what it all means, you might learn quite a bit. This forum has been awesome to be a part of and ive read through all of the stickied threads many times and frequently reference back to them because they are very helpful and have some dense info. (I cant say enough for the work braineack has done in writing them all up.)

Good luck with whatever you decide to do.

Savington 12-30-2008 04:20 AM

Respect is given where respect is due. I am extremely polite and totally willing to spend a lot of time with a newbie who does his research and has a cursory idea of what he's talking about. Examples are tough to find, but I'll try:

https://www.miataturbo.net/forum/t28987/
https://www.miataturbo.net/forum/t29354/

My counter-question is this: Do we grow a community of people who type like they're text messaging, couldn't find the search function on a map, and just want to get their answers and leave, or do we cater to the folks who want to really learn about their cars and are willing to do the legwork to gain the knowledge?

Miata.net is like Costco; this place is like a country club. If I had to deal with some of the asinine shitheaps that shop at Costco on a daily basis at my country club, I'd leave.


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