250 hp setup (warning noob)
 

Hi there everyone

I am new to miatas and to turbocharging them. I have a 2001 base completely stock (except a basic k an n air filter i put in today)

I would love to eventually have a 250hp output. I want it to have almost immediate turbo. I looked up flyin miata voodoo II system with the gt2554 but that only takes me to about 200.

What else am i able to do?

Thanks for your help and once again sorry for the noobishness

You should wait for track speed to release their kit.. And then you should lube up and put on a thick flame suit. Cuz you're about to get raped and attacked by a massive angry evil Internet dragon.

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i have no words

If you buy the FM kit and u want to get a bit more power while improving spool, just change out the boost controller for an LS1.

obviously dont have money for a v8
ive read that the 2554 because it is small has a very quick spool up and thus the effect is very quick.
thanks for your help guys

Dude, before you dig yourself a hole on this forum that you won't be able to climb out of...search the forum to answer your own questions. also figure out who's local to you that could show you some stuff.

ive been doin research since I got my car, I dont know how to do this when i keep getting told that in PA i cant have half of it because of emissions regulations

Do you have emissions in your county?

to the best of my knowledge yes

Your first priority is to change "to the best of my knowledge" into a definitive answer. OBD2 only? OBD2 + visual? OBD2 + visual + tailpipe? PA will have the regs online somewhere. Find them and read them.

yes, your county has emissions and since you have a 2001 you have OBDII. Do you drive the car less than 5000 miles a year and have you owned it for more than one year?

If you have visual..no problem.
If you have OBD2...we can work around that.
If you have to pass sniffer...sorry pal. Find an inspection station that takes cash to sweep certain standards under the carpet.

how is visual not a problem?

How is sniffer a problem? If its sniffer only and no OBDII thats the easiest one to pass. Just run some high flow cat and tune like a boss. OBDII is the hardest to pass, because it requires the most wiring.

I think he was drunk when he posted that

Visual isn't a problem cause you can run a fake cat/ things that retain stock looking emissions.
Sniffer is a problem cause if you have stuff that passes a visual, it doesn't mean it'll pass a sniffer.

umm, visual is failed when they see a turbo strapped to the side of your engine.

sniffer can be passed with a proper tune and functioning cat no problemo

I think our definition of "visual inspection" is vastly different

You just need to have emissions control devices that came from the factory, cat, egr, etc.

I wonder if the op has already gone off and ordered the voodoo kit.

If he did, he wasted his money.

visual and/or sniffer good.

obd-II bad.

How can you pass a sniffer on a turbo Miata? With boost you're gonna be burning a helluva lot more fuel than it ever did N/A so even if it's a good mixture and good cat it's still gonna be over the stock limits won't it?

lol, really? when's the last time you got on a sniffer roller and they flogged the car?

they typically test at a sustained 15mph and 25mph, you're not in boost and if you can tune worth a damn, you'll pass with better numbers than stock.


would you like to see my last results?

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1357754359

Ummm, every 2 years when I emissions test my car lol. They flog them on the rollers, take it up to 50-60mph. Accelerate and decelerate several times to simulate real world driving. Sounds like they hit about 5k rpm before shifting. Not everywhere is the South.

sounds like the operators just want to fuck you.

Could be. Could be that we care about air quality.

What would you suggest? I don't have to worry about visual or OBD, just sniffer. If I open the wastegate fully will the turbo build any boost at all? Like not even 1psi?

That sounds like a non-standard test. You should really look up what the testing actually is supposed to be in your area and report the shop to the state if they are abusing your car like that on the rollers.

Blue State Video:




My car would pass the CO test:


Test Process

1. An inspector guides the vehicle into the inspection lane and performs a brief safety check, enters the vehicle identification number (VIN) into the computer and makes a visual inspection of required emissions equipment. Customers go to an enclosed waiting area from which they can observe the inspection.
2. The vehicle is positioned with its drive wheels on the dynamome
   ter, allowing it to be tested under actual driving conditions. A fan is positioned in front of the vehicle to simulate wind and keep the engine cool throughout the test. During the driving simulation, emissions are collected from the tailpipe and analyzed. On the basis of emissions data, some very clean vehicles receive a "fast pass" while others have to be tested for the full four-minute cycle.
   
   An automatic "second chance" test is provided for vehicles that fail by a small margin. If the vehicle fails within 200% of a pollution limit, the computer will instruct the inspector to run a second test. This is done to minimize the chance that a vehicle might fail simply because of an anomalous situation. For example, the vehicle may fail because it was not sufficiently warmed up.
3. The vehicle is moved off the dynamometer and the gas cap seal test is performed. The customer is given a Vehicle Inspection Report detailing the test results and the inspection fee is collected. If the vehicle passes (and most do) you will be given a "Vehicle Inspection Report" when the emissions fee is collected. If the vehicle fails, you will be provided with a list of local repair facilities ranked by emissions repair success and a computer report providing useful information to assist the repair technician.

Sounds like Hilter runs CO. remind me never to visit.

You do realize there are lots of factory turbocharged cars, right? You're going to have to make sure to have a better tune, but there's no reason your car shouldn't pass the sniff test if you have a good catalytic converter installed and a good tune.

lolz

We are a non-standard state lol. Thanks for your concern but every technician drives the same and they drive my Miata exactly like they drive my old Chevy. They follow a computer screen and don't deviate from what it says.

Haha you sure you could pass? It's a 4 minute driving test. You can't pass with boost that's my point. Trying to get info, can you answer my question?

I don't mind wrenching on my car every 2 years to pass emissions if it means my view of the mountains isn't interrupted by terrible smog and there is still wildlife living in my backyard.

The difference is that those cars had emissions targets set for them in light of the turbo. A Miata doesn't. I have to match the factory emissions from 1996 which is impossible if it's burning more fuel.

I could EASILY pass.

How can you not pass with boost? I figured WRXs and STis would be very popular in CO. I'm sure those pass, stock and modded. And the WRX did not have easy targets, only the STi did.

Cuz they say "stock Miata allowed to put out this much CO2 in this amount of time" then they drive my Miata on the rollers, build boost and that limit is smashed.

Stock WRX is stock...

Thanks for the help dude! Can you explain how to bend the laws of physics?

Suck at tuning less.

this.

Do you not understand that more fuel in = more carbon out?

Its measured in parts per million, stupid. in other words more air = more fuel =~ the same ratio of carbon particles to total particles.

And in boost you need richer AFR otherwise you have to pull tons of timing then you fail Nox.

you can stay stoich in boost (what do you think OEMs do?), but no matter, and they still wouldn't hit it.

I think what hes getting at is that even though you are adding more fuel, you are also adding more air.

Also, you dont need to tune for MAXIMUM TORKS when trying to pass emissions.

We have no emissions testing at all in Florida and our air is crystal clear. Even in our metro areas.

you wanna know what oems tune for rich during warmup?

Noob, let this be a lesson to you. Dont ask questions like that around here - it angers up the blood.

Haha, flatlanders...

OEMs have more resources than an LC-1. Trying to do this without spending months on a dyno. If I admit I was wrong will you tell me if I can just open my wastegate and plug in the stock computer for testing?

that's gotta be the most retarded argument I've ever heard. Same as the Coloradoan saying "Man, I don't have to worry about hurricanes, why should you??"

Funny I saw no argumentative statement in the original quote. I must be blind. I read it as a comment similar to Brain's random comments. More like a Florida>Colorado thing.

Florida followed by the greater than symbol, now THAT'S funny.

Actually most OEM cars run on a narrowband. So they in fact have an inferior sensor reading the mixture to work off.

What these guys are trying to tell you is that it is in fact absolutely possible to pass the sniffer with proper tuning, and they're right.

Funny how the words "argument" and "argumentative" both have a negative connotation. Any sort of statement of opinion or fact -- anything that makes any sort of point can be considered an argument, whether it is confrontational (the world you meant to use instead of argumentative) or not is a different story. You were making the point that even though your state does not have emissions testing, you have clean air. This, in response to his statement that his state's emissions regulations are the reason that they still have clean air and a clear view of the MOUNTAINS.

Your statement insinuated that he's being a twat by suggesting that things as trivial as emissions regulations are responsible in some way for his clean air. That, sir, is both an argument, and mildly confrontational. And, as stated earlier, retarded.

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Although if all you meant to do was make a random useless statement, then you succeeded in spades and I have wasted precious brainpower here. Precious.

Florida is awesome. Beaches, theme parks, no emissions laws, no local/state income taxes, great weather, great business climate, I could go on... I live in Pinellas County as well so we haven't been hit by a hurricane in around 20 years. It is a vacation destination for a reason.

I learned recently to that contrary to all logic we have some very technical mountain biking courses according to some friends who are into that stuff. They claimed they were some of the best they had been on in the country. I called major bullshit but they were very confident and have traveled around the country doing it so maybe they are right. Total elevation change is only like 30-50 feet or some shit but the trails themselves are huge and "technical" whatever that means.

EDIT: I see how you could have viewed my statement as you did but I do, in fact, understand how mountains trap smog so it was more of a random statement.

Yeah but in their R&D facilities they have every machine known to man...that's why OEM cars only have narrowbands.

It's absolutely possible to pass a two speed idle sniffer, yeah. It's possible to pass the complex test maybe in theory, but no one has done it in practice.

Oh, so you called FM and asked them about how they and their customers are passing sniff tests?

They are in Grand Junction which does not follow the same emissions standards as the Denver metro area.

They say their kits will pass the tailpipe sniffer test, and in their area that is the same idle test you pass.

okay you win. it's impossible. sell the car and buy a lexus please stop using mt.net for help miata help.

Haha wish you just said that after post #22, we'd be at the same place we are now. I guess we're all more educated about emissions testing now though, so hopefully people won't generalize anymore!

Not very good place for help as I've asked a simple question 3 times in this thread an no one even said "maybe."

Here in CA we have the idle, the 15, and I think the 25 or 30 or something. So not that much different from yours

They have some AWESOME mountain bike parks. I don't know about the west side, but in Sunny Isles/North Miami Beach there's a park called Oleta. Again not much elevation change, but technical. All about momentum. I loved it because I'm in terrible shape and can't handle the long climbs, but I can do momentum and planning ahead. It was sooooo much fun.

it's not the same, in denver they do simulated 4 minute long WOT runs on the dyno through all gears. so obviously, emissions are going to fail plus they will install a speed govenor on the car once they determine the top speed.