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Mushroom King 03-14-2009 08:00 PM

Best way to go twin turbo?
 
Which is the best method or way to get twin turbo on my miata swapping engines that are twin turbo or aftermarket twin turbo kits? I like and want twin turbo for its lack of lag. Please do not recommend me turbo kits unless they are twin turbo kits and not single turbo. As for swapping engines make sure you know its a twin turbo engine that fits in the miata engine bay.

18psi 03-14-2009 08:02 PM

I recommend you not start any new threads till you do some searching. A stupid question like this will not be accepted well from a noob that just joined

chriscar 03-14-2009 08:03 PM

Oh boy, this is going to get ugly.

How much lag do small, single turbo systems, have in your experience?

C

240_to_miata 03-14-2009 08:08 PM

why do you have a crush on twin turbos?

kewilso3 03-14-2009 08:29 PM

even i know this is going to be fun and i'm an idiot

Mushroom King 03-14-2009 08:30 PM

Well first of all I have check the threads everyone seem to be going single, I know what I am doing as I have swapped a 2jzgte in my sc300(my first car 450hp) I forgot to mention I am trying to get the highest hp out of it as I can with no or little lag and its a 1.6L engine right now. So I don't want to stick big turbos that will have a lot of lag to get the high hp I want nor do I want the small single ones as I doubt I can get the high hp as I want. So all I want to know is IS there a twin turbo kit for this car or should I just swap a twin turbo engine and WHICH ones will fit?

gospeed81 03-14-2009 08:31 PM

put down the shrooms man, put down the shrooms

and pic up the search button

Or, for starters, figure out that inline fours down have seperate cylinder banks...

gospeed81 03-14-2009 08:33 PM


Originally Posted by Mushroom King (Post 381906)
Well first of all I have check the threads everyone seem to be going single, I know what I am doing as I have swapped a 2jzgte in my sc300(my first car 450hp) I forgot to mention I am trying to get the highest hp out of it as I can with no or little lag and its a 1.6L engine right now. So I don't want to stick big turbos that will have a lot of lag to get the high hp I want nor do I want the small single ones as I doubt I can get the high hp as I want. So all I want to know is IS there a twin turbo kit for this car or should I just swap a twin turbo engine and WHICH ones will fit?


Pics or it didn't happen.



One guy here has done twin turbos, search TurboTim user.

Don't think you'll see advantages worth the complexity of the setup.



EDIT: I have never seen a twin turbo KIT for our cars.

kewilso3 03-14-2009 08:59 PM

got a problem with a v-8? ls engines will give you at least as much power as any tt i can think of, and they're proven, with kits available

curly 03-14-2009 09:01 PM

I also swapped a apsdgfpsoibuje-t8y engine into my car. It was fan-fucking-tabulous and made 1000hp.

Pretty sure no one makes a twin turbo kit for our cars. TurboTim is the only one who's made one as far as I know. So it'll all be custom.

The little lag benefit of a twin turbo setup is lost when you divide the number of cylinders spinning the turbo in half. In order for only two cylinders to spin a turbo quickly, you'll have to use small ones. You also need smaller turbos in order to fit them in our small engine bays (please oh please don't bring up remote mount turbos). These small turbos will not generate a huge amount of power.

The highest hp Miata's (450hp+) are running either a huge single turbo or a V8. None of them are 1.6. I'm not sure a 1.6 has ever made it much past 400hp. If you're building an engine, which you'll have to do to get past 300-350ish hp, build a 1.8 block and buy FM's $185 conversion kit.

oh, and SEARCH

ArtieParty 03-14-2009 09:07 PM

TurboTim might be selling his twin turbo setup. But its for a 1.8l . Contact him.

Mushroom King 03-14-2009 09:17 PM


Originally Posted by gospeed81 (Post 381908)
Pics or it didn't happen.



One guy here has done twin turbos, search TurboTim user.

Don't think you'll see advantages worth the complexity of the setup.



EDIT: I have never seen a twin turbo KIT for our cars.

[IMG]http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/855...mkingsc300.jpg[/IMG]

Mushroom King 03-14-2009 09:24 PM


Originally Posted by kewilso3 (Post 381914)
got a problem with a v-8? ls engines will give you at least as much power as any tt i can think of, and they're proven, with kits available

Give me the links where you have heard and seen this please :)

ZX-Tex 03-14-2009 09:38 PM

Jesus tapdancing Christ DO A SEARCH! Plus there is a whole freaking section at miata.net on engine swaps. Try googling V8 Miata.

pdexta 03-14-2009 09:44 PM

I hate to be one of those "go search" guys, but damn man. Go to google, type "V8 Miata" and you'll get like 125,000 hits, that should get you started.

*ZX-Tex beat me

kewilso3 03-14-2009 09:45 PM

that sc300 swap is way easier and more common than putting somwthing like that in a miata, plus the sc was designed to fit a v-8.

and there's no way im telling you where to find v8 miata info

Savington 03-14-2009 09:45 PM

Do a motherfucking search.

240_to_miata 03-14-2009 09:48 PM

V8 Miata

UofACATS 03-14-2009 09:53 PM


Originally Posted by Mushroom King (Post 381892)
I like and want twin turbo for its lack of lag.

Small twin turbos will lag more than a properly sized single.

Mushroom King 03-14-2009 09:53 PM

NVM someone else on this forum is helping me and guiding me and I like his idea way better than the V8, THREAD CLOSE!

pdexta 03-14-2009 09:59 PM

Quad turbos!!!

ZX-Tex 03-14-2009 10:04 PM


Originally Posted by Mushroom King (Post 381938)
NVM someone else on this forum is helping me and guiding me and I like his idea way better than the V8

Hey, maybe it is Hyper. He is awesome, and is the undisputed master of the coolant reroute :giggle:

johnhanson 03-14-2009 10:07 PM


Originally Posted by pdexta (Post 381943)
Quad turbos!!!

Dude why stop there? I'm building a quint-turbo setup.

curly 03-14-2009 10:10 PM

I'm feeding a turbo with the compressed air of another turbo, beat that.

Please give us the name of the member helping you, so we can bash him for giving a man a fish.

18psi 03-14-2009 10:11 PM


Originally Posted by Mushroom King (Post 381938)
NVM someone else on this forum is helping me and guiding me and I like his idea way better than the V8, THREAD CLOSE!

I hope its Hyper:bowrofl:

viperormiata 03-14-2009 10:29 PM

Fuck turbos and go twin superchargers.

Why would you swap a 2jz into a car that already had a 2jz? Granted the head is a bit off but lifters and springs will solve that.

Braineack 03-14-2009 10:39 PM

One of these setups is a twin turbo miata 1.8L, the other is a single turbo 1.8L


can you name which is which?

http://www.boostedmiata.com/dynos/lars_vs_tim.jpg

pdexta 03-14-2009 10:47 PM


Originally Posted by curly (Post 381948)
I'm feeding a turbo with the compressed air of another turbo, beat that.

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.urlesque....14-xzibit2.jpg

Braineack 03-14-2009 10:57 PM


Originally Posted by curly (Post 381948)
I'm feeding a turbo with the compressed air of another turbo, beat that.


sounds like how a true sequential setup works...

http://www.whnet.com/4x4/pix/R2S.jpg

johnhanson 03-14-2009 11:00 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 381966)
sounds like how a true sequential setup works...

http://www.whnet.com/4x4/pix/R2S.jpg

Compounding :ne: sequential.

curly 03-14-2009 11:01 PM

oh shit wait Audi actually does that. Damn, I can't even have dumb ideas when I try!

Looks like the single turbo made 1.5hp less but 24 more ft/lbs. I'll take the torque please.

Braineack 03-14-2009 11:12 PM

dammit, i meant that. :vash:


bmw does it too:

http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2...74236.1-lg.jpg

kotomile 03-15-2009 12:49 AM

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18psi 03-15-2009 12:52 AM

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sinhumane 03-15-2009 01:48 AM

holy catalytic converter batman!

i'd honestly like to see a compound boosted miata.. not two turbos, but a jrsc being fed by a single turbo.. roots power down low, and after the efficiency of the eaton droops off, the turbo takes over and has spooled waaaay up.. awesome hp curve..

(i'm seasoned to eaton blowers, and know their nature... and absolutely despise the amount of heat they generate at high rpms, and thats why i'm ditching the one on my tbird for a turbo setup)

disturbedfan121 03-15-2009 01:58 AM

you would need the cold side supercharger kit to "twincharge" the car and the cold side sc kit is not cheap in the least

18psi 03-15-2009 02:03 AM


Originally Posted by sinhumane (Post 382048)
holy catalytic converter batman!

i'd honestly like to see a compound boosted miata.. not two turbos, but a jrsc being fed by a single turbo.. roots power down low, and after the efficiency of the eaton droops off, the turbo takes over and has spooled waaaay up.. awesome hp curve..

(i'm seasoned to eaton blowers, and know their nature... and absolutely despise the amount of heat they generate at high rpms, and thats why i'm ditching the one on my tbird for a turbo setup)

turbo, supercharger, valves, blah blah blah. If you want power down low, power in the middle, and power up top I have a simple answer for you: v8 swap

NA6C-Guy 03-15-2009 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by pdexta (Post 381964)

Like dis?

sinhumane 03-15-2009 02:15 AM

i'm planning a v6 swap with a supercoupe engine.. reason behind being here, is i'm turboing my 92 as an inbetween cheapie project while i hoard parts. (at this point, i need martins bits, and a shortblock.... i have a topend and an ecu laying around....

18psi 03-15-2009 02:20 AM


Originally Posted by NA6C-Guy (Post 382057)
Like dis?

:bowrofl:
I lold hard. havent seen that before

NA6C-Guy 03-15-2009 02:23 AM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 382061)
:bowrofl:
I lold hard. havent seen that before

I dug it up from one of my old random shit folders the other day and have been waiting for an excuse to use it. :bowrofl:

sinhumane 03-15-2009 02:38 AM

in a simple word: EPIC

you sir, are my new hero.

back to n00b bashing?

oh... wait. *runs for cover*

fooger03 03-15-2009 03:45 AM

Flyin' Miata : Engine conversions : V8 conversions

TTi Twin Turbo System

/thread

18psi 03-15-2009 03:57 AM


Originally Posted by fooger03 (Post 382086)

a v8 twin turbo? good luck with any form of traction or pretty much anything usefull in that car:jerkit:

NA6C-Guy 03-15-2009 03:59 AM

Even with some really meaty tires, youd still need a trunk full of bodies to put any power down. Even then you would still probably smoke the tires off.

paul 03-15-2009 11:32 AM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 381961)
One of these setups is a twin turbo miata 1.8L, the other is a single turbo 1.8L


can you name which is which?

http://www.boostedmiata.com/dynos/lars_vs_tim.jpg

Really scott? That's the best you could do? Ida chose these comparisons. 2 car's with perfectly sized single turbo systems vs 1 twin turbo setup. All same displacement motors.
http://www.miatamx5.com/dynoruns/11-15-08/top3_hp.jpg
http://www.miatamx5.com/dynoruns/11-15-08/top3_tq.jpg

paul 03-15-2009 11:35 AM

oh, and the single turbo setup costs less too.

hustler 03-15-2009 12:08 PM

where the fuck do these retards come from?

NA6C-Guy 03-15-2009 02:54 PM

I bet he is 17-19 and from California... just my guess.

18psi 03-15-2009 04:37 PM


Originally Posted by hustler (Post 382121)
where the fuck do these retards come from?

sitting in their daddy's masturbation room little gay boy thinks " ooh, miata is such a sssuper car, I think I'll join its forums"....

Originally Posted by NA6C-Guy (Post 382159)
I bet he is 17-19 and from California... just my guess.

:fawk:

sinhumane 03-15-2009 04:43 PM

probably sacramento... more than likely....



jus joshin ;)

18psi 03-15-2009 04:49 PM

btw, you need to add your location to your profile as well.

Braineack 03-15-2009 05:17 PM


Originally Posted by paul (Post 382116)
oh, and the single turbo setup costs less too.

I don't have all the old .drf files at my disposal on my laptop :P

gospeed81 03-15-2009 07:39 PM


Originally Posted by Mushroom King (Post 381919)

I only see one turbo there.

So if you did a useless swap on an SC (the stock 2jz would have been sufficient if you weren't going much over 400hp) and you still didn't put twins on a motor that is basically balanced as two three cylinders explosion welded together, then wtf makes you think it's a good idea to put twins on a four cylinder?

paul 03-15-2009 07:44 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 382202)
I don't have all the old .drf files at my disposal on my laptop :P


bookmark it Index of /dynoruns

NA6C-Guy 03-15-2009 08:13 PM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 382186)
sitting in their daddy's masturbation room little gay boy thinks " ooh, miata is such a sssuper car, I think I'll join its forums"....


:fawk:

:giggle: You are clearly not a tard, so I will let you being from California pass.

cueball1 03-15-2009 08:39 PM

I'm going twin turbo on my new project Miata but it's full time electric.

NA6C-Guy 03-15-2009 09:41 PM

I have a project Miata that will be running 1 Stirling engine per wheel. Runs on my fart. May prove to be more costly than gasoline though, since Taco Bell ends up costing me nearly $10 every time I eat there.

chriscar 03-15-2009 09:47 PM


Originally Posted by gospeed81 (Post 382254)
I only see one turbo there.

So if you did a useless swap on an SC (the stock 2jz would have been sufficient if you weren't going much over 400hp) and you still didn't put twins on a motor that is basically balanced as two three cylinders explosion welded together, then wtf makes you think it's a good idea to put twins on a four cylinder?

Are you thinking what I'm thinking? Did he just snag that photo off a website? Hey Mushroom King, let's see a link to the build of your Lexus.

C

NA6C-Guy 03-15-2009 10:02 PM

Here is a little something I did with a Supra last year.

http://images.turbomagazine.com/feat...front_view.jpg


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