Built 1.6, worth it?
Kicking around the winter projects. The 1.6 in the car is strong, but probably could use a re-ring. While it's out, I can't justify NOT doing at least forged pistons and h-beams. Worth doing on the mouse motor? Also, is there value in the belfab hp kit, or should I get the parts separate?
I just feel that I can get into price creep with the 1.8. I'll need new mani's, so why not get a v-band built up? And since I'm doing the 1.8, why not the 99 head (VICS control, et al). Plus the cost of the long block, and the time involved in scrounging one out. I'm thinking I might try a dual tune setup, one set of maps on street gas and 13-15, one set on 100 with like 18 or whatever. I'd probably just run the hundo for autocross and the low boost setup for on the street and on the track for now, till the testicular implant finally clears my hmo and I can run with the gods, slaying rich gt3 owners and leaving z06 'glass shards in my wake. |
i see no problem sticking with the 1.6, it's not exactly like a 1.8 is a huge earth shattering torque monster. based on dynos over the years you're giving up about 20whp with the 1.6
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you will be kicking yourself having invested so much money in the 1.6 when you could have "feasibly" made your 1.8 into a 2.0 in the future. Any motor is price creep inducing. I want to slap headers and an intake on my KA24E, but whats the point?
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Anyone have any feedback on the belfab hp kit? Cheaper to buy the stuff piecemeal? I have seen some of the customer service issues members here have had with belfab, so duly warned.
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Originally Posted by mazda/nissan
(Post 458923)
you will be kicking yourself having invested so much money in the 1.6 when you could have "feasibly" made your 1.8 into a 2.0 in the future.
The 1.6L is a fine motor. The 1.8 has its advantages for sure. I don't think that the advantages of the 1.8 outweigh the simplicity of staying with my 1.6 for the time being, though. |
Originally Posted by the_man
(Post 459010)
Extending that logic, why spend money on a turbo and 1.8L engine if you could have "feasibly" swapped in an LSx in the future? You make the best decision based upon the situation at hand and go from there.
The 1.6L is a fine motor. The 1.8 has its advantages for sure. I don't think that the advantages of the 1.8 outweigh the simplicity of staying with my 1.6 for the time being, though. |
If you look at any of my threads, you'll see I'm in the same school of thought. When you already have a turboed 1.6 the "upgrade" to a 1.8 is not so cut and dry, or as cheap as everyone seems to think.
Brian |
It just seems to me if you're doing all the work of pulling the engine and such, and you intend to buy forged internals anyway, that you ought to go with the displacement.
If you were going to go cheap then I'd say don't do it, but if you spend some money on building it nice and don't get the extra cubes, you'll always think to yourself, "this is great, I can imagine what a 1.8 must feel like!" You can always get some money back selling the old crap. |
an early 1.8 and the 99-head are 2-different animals. If you're not getting a 99 head, then I'd probably stay with the 1.6.
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Originally Posted by neogenesis2004
(Post 459025)
If you look at any of my threads, you'll see I'm in the same school of thought. When you already have a turboed 1.6 the "upgrade" to a 1.8 is not so cut and dry, or as cheap as everyone seems to think.
Hustler, the potential to upgrade the 1.8 to the 99 head exists, however. And other than the intake mani and VICS control, not much else would need to be done, right? Cost creep, here we come... |
Originally Posted by hustler
(Post 459029)
an early 1.8 and the 99-head are 2-different animals. If you're not getting a 99 head, then I'd probably stay with the 1.6.
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Originally Posted by webby459
(Post 459058)
Hustler, the potential to upgrade the 1.8 to the 99 head exists, however. And other than the intake mani and VICS control, not much else would need to be done, right? Cost creep, here we come...
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Originally Posted by neogenesis2004
(Post 459061)
People just have to realize that there is a cost increase.
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