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Old Aug 1, 2013 | 04:42 PM
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Nope.

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Old Aug 1, 2013 | 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by JustinOMGWTF
Funny that SouthBay didn't have anything to say about the RC's either, but I have been hearing a lot of great things about the ID's. I'll look into them.
I ran RC550's on my car for about 1000 miles. They were better then my rx-7 440cc and DW1000 injectors in terms of idle quality. My ID1000's idle even better then I ever got my RC's idling. Even knowing all that I would not suggest that you upgrade to the ID1000's yet. It seems like money not well spent unless you decide to turn up boost and actually run out of head room on the RC's.

Along with the forged pistons I am hoping you are getting forged rods, or already have them in the block.

No matter what after the new motor is in, you will need to take it back to the dyno and have it re-tuned.
Old Aug 1, 2013 | 04:52 PM
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Old Aug 1, 2013 | 05:14 PM
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You have to get retuned because this tune blew up your engine. I thought that was rather obvious.
Old Aug 1, 2013 | 05:25 PM
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Old Aug 1, 2013 | 05:45 PM
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Why don't you have wideband readings?
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If this was your first rebuild, I would probably agree with you.




At this point, I don't think you have luck on your side.
Old Aug 1, 2013 | 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Savington
Why don't you have wideband readings?
What I meant was that I didn't have any readings during the catastrophic event.

However, you did just remind me that I took logs during the misfiring shortly thereafter. I've attached it in case anyone was interested in what a 3-cylinder BP-T looks like

Originally Posted by thenuge26
If this was your first rebuild, I would probably agree with you.

At this point, I don't think you have luck on your side.
That I can completely agree with. Sucks having to budget by cutting corners but there are other priorities in life.

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Old Aug 1, 2013 | 06:15 PM
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What were the wideband readings at WOT before it grenaded?

I would do low-comp pistons and a bigger intercooler, but I'd also take 4-6* out of your timing map above ~140kpa. It's way, way, way too aggressive for pump gas. Maybe more than that if you failed and bought a 0.64a/r GT2871R.
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Nope.

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Old Aug 1, 2013 | 07:51 PM
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Still kind of aggressive for 91. Might work on 93-94. The 0.64a/r turbine is not doing you any favors here - swapping to a 0.86a/r housing would let you get away with more timing and it'll make more power to boot.
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Nope.

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The spool difference is minimal between the 0.64 and the 0.86 on a Miata. The torque difference in the midrange and the extra det threshold headroom isn't. I'd swap the turbine housing.
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Old Aug 1, 2013 | 11:58 PM
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Originally Posted by 18psi
with a precision 600 and colder weather, no?
Yes, with a big intercooler and excellent AFR
I was still shitting bricks
Old Aug 2, 2013 | 12:29 AM
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Originally Posted by JustinOMGWTF
Having trouble finding GT2871R .64 vs .86 comparison. BUt then there's the newer GTX series:

GTX2867 .86 A/R vs .64 A/R Turbine Dyno
Different engine. Results don't apply to us.
Old Aug 2, 2013 | 12:31 AM
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And yet, I wonder: is it really as drastic as you say it is. I've done a quick search and every time we talk about this, its just talk. Do you have some proof?

For the record, I'm of the same mindset as you and usually side with the larger hotside, but all MY proof and/or experience has been on other cars, with larger motors from our 1.8....So I really can't say for 110% sure when talking about a miata with a gt28xx turbo
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Originally Posted by 18psi
And yet, I wonder: is it really as drastic as you say it is. I've done a quick search and every time we talk about this, its just talk. Do you have some proof?

For the record, I'm of the same mindset as you and usually side with the larger hotside, but all MY proof and/or experience has been on other cars, with larger motors from our 1.8....So I really can't say for 110% sure when talking about a miata with a gt28xx turbo
https://www.miataturbo.net/diy-turbo...43/#post642164

Not apples to apples, but close enough. The difference can be compensated for entirely by using a good tubular manifold and downpipe.
Old Aug 2, 2013 | 01:59 AM
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Ha, even in that thread I was agreeing on the .86 being the better choice.

However, and maybe cause my plans and goals for current car have changed drastically from the previous, but I've been re-thinking my logic (and that discussion).

I don't think its a fair comparison at all:
non vvt head vs vvt head (like 500 rpm worth of lowend just in that alone)
his is also mildly worked which usually tends to improve topend at slight expense of spool
cast log mani vs one of the best tubulars (another like 300-400 or so)
race gas vs e85 (e85 promotes better spool too, dunno how much exactly)

the only slight disadvantage you have there is your high flowing honda im vs his stocker

Anywho.....I wish we had an actual apples vs apples comparison on a miata. Cause I think this is far from a clear cut open and shut discussion.

*edit: also the more I look the more I see stuff like this online:


which supports a whole lot of the claims that many make:
smaller hotside - broader torque curve
larger hotside - hits later but harder
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