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Leafy 07-08-2016 10:30 AM


Originally Posted by emilio700 (Post 1344158)
Essentially, yes. We view the Skunk2 as a "throttle body kit". A starting point.

Between myself and a few other vendors, Skunk2 has been thoroughly informed of each concern in detail going back about 4 years. They just don't care. Thus why we are working on our own TB for 2017.

Seeing this dissatisfaction and looking for other throttle body bolt patterns last night I noticed that the sr20det and rb20 throttle bodies have the same 60mm square bolt pattern as the 1.8. Did anyone ever test to see if the throttle shafts on these break?

MintyTheEunos 07-12-2016 03:47 PM

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I'm ready to fit the TB guys but I gotta be honest I'm a little confused by the 2 parts pictured at the front. The elliptical part I guess forms the tps housing and the rotor bit has slipped over the 'blade' for the tps but what is the odd shaped gasket for? Confused :/

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EO2K 07-12-2016 04:16 PM

Is there a gasket on top and on the bottom of that idle valve adapter plate thing? Mine was for an NB so the idle valve adapter is set up a bit differently so I'm probably no help, sorry. I know the NB one goes together like a puzzle designed by the Mad Hatter with no instructions.

MintyTheEunos 07-12-2016 04:36 PM


Originally Posted by EO2K (Post 1345752)
Is there a gasket on top and on the bottom of that idle valve adapter plate thing? Mine was for an NB so the idle valve adapter is set up a bit differently so I'm probably no help, sorry. I know the NB one goes together like a puzzle designed by the Mad Hatter with no instructions.

You're right: I'm dumb

Haha

Thanks buddy. I'll put it down to a long day :D

MintyTheEunos 07-12-2016 04:50 PM

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The inlet swap has really been awful but I'm no mechanic. Now I can see light at the end of the tunnel what gains do you think I'll see if any?

EO2K 07-12-2016 04:54 PM

I'm sure someone has done before and after but I can't find it at the moment. For us, TB is more about reliability than any serious gains. A $325 throttle body is cheap insurance to protect a $2000+ built motor. These engines tend to make more power when they are not trying to compress fragments of the throttle shaft or the butterfly screws ;)

MintyTheEunos 07-12-2016 04:57 PM


Originally Posted by EO2K (Post 1345760)
I'm sure someone has done before and after but I can't find it at the moment. For us, TB is more about reliability than any serious gains. The engine tends to make more power when its not trying to compress fragments of the throttle shaft of the butterfly screws ;)

Yerp I can agree with that. If I see a couple of hp at the top I'll be happy. It's green and shiny. What more can you ask for ?? :D

EO2K 07-12-2016 05:03 PM

Ok, now go make a intro thread: Meet and Greet - Miata Turbo Forum -Boost cars, acquire cats.

Tell us about your car, your self, your mechanical abilities, your cat, your goals, etc. We tend to respond well to visual stimulus so post lots of pics.

...and follow it up with a build thread: Build Threads - Miata Turbo Forum -Boost cars, acquire cats.

Again with the pics, everyone loves pics. :bigtu:

MintyTheEunos 07-12-2016 05:05 PM


Originally Posted by EO2K (Post 1345762)
Ok, now go make a intro thread: Meet and Greet - Miata Turbo Forum -Boost cars, acquire cats.

Tell us about your car, your self, your mechanical abilities, your cat, your goals, etc. We tend to respond well to visual stimulus so post lots of pics.

...and follow it up with a build thread: Build Threads - Miata Turbo Forum -Boost cars, acquire cats.

Again with the pics, everyone loves pics. :bigtu:

Yes mate sorry. I'll probably need an hour in front of a desktop so probably tomorrow at work. I'll try to keep it concise (ish) with lots of pics :D

Andy

psyber_0ptix 07-12-2016 09:02 PM


Originally Posted by EO2K (Post 1345760)
. A $325 throttle body is cheap insurance to protect a $2000+ built motor.

you are making me paranoid

MintyTheEunos 07-13-2016 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by psyber_0ptix (Post 1345813)
you are making me paranoid

I just came across this recent oopsie on my UK forum on a 300whp 1.6

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psyber_0ptix 07-13-2016 10:11 AM

Ugh, you guys. I don't want to pull my manifold yet lol.

MintyTheEunos 07-13-2016 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by psyber_0ptix (Post 1345954)
Ugh, you guys. I don't want to pull my manifold yet lol.

FWIW he has blobbed some epoxy over the screw heads so if they do fail there is less chance of them being munched.

Seems like a sensible compromise!

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Sirnixalot 07-13-2016 11:54 AM

better off pulling the throttle body and hitting the back side of the threads with a chisel

EO2K 07-13-2016 12:07 PM

The epoxy is kind of a band-aid. When I worked with a certain race team that fielded 4 Miatas in a certain endurance race, 3 of the engines had Skunk2 TBs and one had an epoxied stocker. I'll let you guess which car went out on a mechanical and what the root cause of that mechanical might have been.

Hell, if you want more evidence, you need look no further than here: https://www.miataturbo.net/prefabbed...e-wheel-81058/ and the title of his new build thread is... https://www.miataturbo.net/build-thr...rebuild-81161/

Downmented 07-13-2016 12:32 PM


Originally Posted by psyber_0ptix (Post 1345954)
Ugh, you guys. I don't want to pull my manifold yet lol.

Lets pull it off, and I will port match yours as I did mine, I can also get you a TB from the same place I got mine so we can protect that motor!

Midtenn 07-13-2016 12:49 PM

I'm also a not so proud member of the throttle body ingestion club. Its typically not the screw backing out that is initial problem, its the throttle shaft cracking at the screw hole. Then the screw comes free. Mine was expoy'd to the shaft and still made it into the intake manifold and #3 cylinder. I was lucky that it was a through-and-through and no major damage was done. If you don't want to pull your intake manifold, just install the Skunk2 TB without porting.

EO2K 07-13-2016 02:05 PM


Originally Posted by psyber_0ptix (Post 1345954)
Ugh, you guys. I don't want to pull my manifold yet lol.

Don't you have a squaretop on that BP6D? All you have to do is pull the top half of the manifold. Quit yer bitchin' it'll take you like 15min ;)

Besides, you don't actually have to port it at all. Some of us just have that level of OCD.

psyber_0ptix 07-13-2016 02:07 PM

But gasket?

EO2K 07-13-2016 02:09 PM

So order a gasket. http://miataroadster.com/mazda/mazda.../i-464139.aspx


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